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On the way to the bank going about 60mph the disco made one small jerk ( kind of like a misfire, nothing extreme) and the S & M started flashing on the dash. I started to pull off the road and noticed that I didn't have power steering and the engine had died. I opened the hood and checked the battery cables. The ground was a little loose where it bolted by the alternator so I tightened it up and tried to restart with no luck. I called a friend for a ride and while waiting I disconnected the battery cable to try a clear the check engine light. It took him about 30 min to get there and when he did I reconnected the battery, put it in neutral and it started. I thought it was the loose cable so we proceeded on to the bank. We got to the bank fine, but while sitting in the drive through it died again. This time there was no S & M, just the check engine, oil pressure and battery. We tried everything like last time but couldn't get it started.
I pulled a spark plug to check for spark and I couldn't get one. So I thought it was the coil.
I then tried cranking it with starting fluid and it acted like it wanted to fire. So now I don't know if I did the spark test correctly. I pulled the plug,left it in the wire and held it by the exhaust manifold while the wife cranked the engine. Is that right?
Any ideas or suggestions on what is wrong or what else to test for?
(Fuel Pump,Coil?)
Should I just buy a Hawkeye to read the codes before doing anything else?
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2001/Disco SE7/105,000 miles
DIY repairs: Valve cover gasket(1/02/12),Plenum gasket(1/02/12), Crank Sensor(1/20/12),Rotors and Pads(1/21/12), Oil Sump Gasket(1/22/12),
Oil Pump, Timing Chain kit, Head Gaskets, New Water Pump, Thermostat, New hoses, New 8mm Wires, Bosch +4 plugs, New Fluids all the way around, mikes 60k mile service complete, Exhaust gaskets (2/1/12 - 2/29/12).
If you have the money to buy a Hawkeye scanner just to read trouble codes then have it towed to the dealer to get fixed because obviously you have money.
It is your crank sensor that has failed, probably the number one problem with the DII.
There is a "how to" in the write up section, the part is about $65 at AutoZone.
If all you want to do it read and clear your own trouble codes you can buy a $30 scanner.
If you also want live data then buy a Ultra-Gauge, $80. I have one and I love it.
If you have the money to buy a Hawkeye scanner just to read trouble codes then have it towed to the dealer to get fixed because obviously you have money.
It is your crank sensor that has failed, probably the number one problem with the DII.
There is a "how to" in the write up section, the part is about $65 at AutoZone.
If all you want to do it read and clear your own trouble codes you can buy a $30 scanner.
If you also want live data then buy a Ultra-Gauge, $80. I have one and I love it.
Thanks for the information. This is the help I was looking forward to when I joined the site. I will go to autozone tomorrow and get a new crank sensor and let you know what the out come is.
As for the Hawkeye- I don't have money to blow but I don't mind spending the money on something that will pay for itself over the life of my vehicle. Do you think I will use it often? From what I've read about Rovers there will be plenty of chances to use it. Plus, The Three Amigos have payed me a visit and I was thinking of getting the Hawkeye to read the codes and if the shuttle valve is the problem then I will need it bleed the ABS unit. I have seen the ABS amigo for $200+shipping but if I buy that and I need to change the shuttle valve then what?
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2001/Disco SE7/105,000 miles
DIY repairs: Valve cover gasket(1/02/12),Plenum gasket(1/02/12), Crank Sensor(1/20/12),Rotors and Pads(1/21/12), Oil Sump Gasket(1/22/12),
Oil Pump, Timing Chain kit, Head Gaskets, New Water Pump, Thermostat, New hoses, New 8mm Wires, Bosch +4 plugs, New Fluids all the way around, mikes 60k mile service complete, Exhaust gaskets (2/1/12 - 2/29/12).
Here's a drawing of the mounting for the cranks sensor, look at yours and make sure every spacer goes back on the same way. Make sure that new spacer on unit is same size as old spacer (one for auto, another for manual transmission). Many have been replaced, then no crank, because spacer was slightly off.
You M&S lights were probably triggered by loose cable making volts to transmission ECU below about 9 volts, too low to operate transmission.
Ultra Gauge combines great gauges and a data reading scanner for like $70, won't do much for 3 Amigos.
Well the Hawkeye scanner is like $700 right?
I personally dont think it is worth the cost but that is me.
But you do have a good a good point about the ABS Amigo, only $500 more dollars and you could have the Hawkeye.
I think that I'm going to go ahead and order the hawkeye next week. I figure that if I would of had it in the disco today when the CPS went I could have used it right there on the side of the road to read the code, gone to get the part and probably have fixed it on the side of the road if it's as easy a fix as it looks. Would have saved $70 on the tow charge right there. Only $550 more in savings and it's payed for itself. Take away how much it would cost to have the dealership deal with the 3 Amigos and I think it's going to be a pretty good purchase. PLUS- If any fellow Rover fanatics near San Antonio need help with the ABS then it will give us an excuse to get in the garage and drink a few cold ones. (And by a few, I mean A LOT)
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2001/Disco SE7/105,000 miles
DIY repairs: Valve cover gasket(1/02/12),Plenum gasket(1/02/12), Crank Sensor(1/20/12),Rotors and Pads(1/21/12), Oil Sump Gasket(1/22/12),
Oil Pump, Timing Chain kit, Head Gaskets, New Water Pump, Thermostat, New hoses, New 8mm Wires, Bosch +4 plugs, New Fluids all the way around, mikes 60k mile service complete, Exhaust gaskets (2/1/12 - 2/29/12).
hawkeye are about $650 at AB, if you look they can be had for less ($500).
Along with engine and abs codes it also takes care SLS and ACE issues.
So if your truck has SLS & ACE and you get it for the correct price it may not be the worst money you spent.
You can come on here and people cant give there opinions/experence of what your SLS, ABS & ACE problems are or you can just read & test them.
Also i dont think anyone is going to come over to your house to pump your brakes when it is time to bleed them, after repairing your shuttle valve but hawkeye will.
I wont even go on about how it can activate every devise in your truck, fan, wiper, window, sunroofs, doorlock motors,TPS, ABS pump all front the seat of your truck.
There is also a section where you can get into programing stuff, but i keep away from that, nothing good can come from me programing anything.
If you have a DI or a lower end model it may not be needed, but if you truck is decked out and you plan on keeping it you might consider it.
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First, never disconnect the battery to clear the codes. Why would you want to, even if you did clear them you would not fix anything nor know what is wrong with the engine.
Get the codes read and get back to us with the fault numbers, not what you think they mean and maybe we can help you.
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First, never disconnect the battery to clear the codes. Why would you want to, even if you did clear them you would not fix anything nor know what is wrong with the engine.
Get the codes read and get back to us with the fault numbers, not what you think they mean and maybe we can help you.
I disconnected the battery in the hope that maybe I would be able to clear something long enough to get it home. Maybe I was pissing in the wind but I'll try anything before forking out the CASH for a tow. Thanks for the heads up though. Next time I wont disconnect it.
I'm going to get the Hawkeye next week I think, but I want to read the codes on my disco ASAP. I think I'm going to get one on loan from autozone.
I will let you know when I get the codes.
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2001/Disco SE7/105,000 miles
DIY repairs: Valve cover gasket(1/02/12),Plenum gasket(1/02/12), Crank Sensor(1/20/12),Rotors and Pads(1/21/12), Oil Sump Gasket(1/22/12),
Oil Pump, Timing Chain kit, Head Gaskets, New Water Pump, Thermostat, New hoses, New 8mm Wires, Bosch +4 plugs, New Fluids all the way around, mikes 60k mile service complete, Exhaust gaskets (2/1/12 - 2/29/12).
Okay guys I got the crank sensor today. The guys at British4x4 here in San Antonio (That place is Rover Heaven!!!)had the part in stock so I wont have to wait for it the ship over the weekend.
I've got a 12 pack on ice and I'm going to get started on it tonight. I know to be careful to get everything back the right way, is there anything I should know before I tear into it?
Should I take some pics of the process?
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2001/Disco SE7/105,000 miles
DIY repairs: Valve cover gasket(1/02/12),Plenum gasket(1/02/12), Crank Sensor(1/20/12),Rotors and Pads(1/21/12), Oil Sump Gasket(1/22/12),
Oil Pump, Timing Chain kit, Head Gaskets, New Water Pump, Thermostat, New hoses, New 8mm Wires, Bosch +4 plugs, New Fluids all the way around, mikes 60k mile service complete, Exhaust gaskets (2/1/12 - 2/29/12).
Engine just died on the Highway
