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shanechevelle 01-21-2018 10:22 AM

One of my friends just had his truck diagnosed at the dealer as a slipped liner.

He did the heads and cleaned the valve train.

Noise gone. No evidence of the slipped liner either.

number9 01-21-2018 02:30 PM


Originally Posted by Blacktt3z (Post 633719)

They say if it doesn't go away when RPMs increased it's not a slipped liner.
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shanechevelle 01-22-2018 04:49 AM

The slipped liner is the first thing people jump too.

The valve train has design flaws which make a ton of noise....

I wouldn't get rid of my engine if I was told I had a slipped liner unless I watch it move myself.

The_OGCJR 01-22-2018 07:25 AM

I had a similar amount of noise before a valve spring broke.

I replaced complete top end, and when I did there was no evidence of slipped liner.

Only noise now is injectors clicking (normal)

The_OGCJR 01-22-2018 07:26 AM


Originally Posted by shanechevelle (Post 634062)
One of my friends just had his truck diagnosed at the dealer as a slipped liner.

He did the heads and cleaned the valve train.

Noise gone. No evidence of the slipped liner either.

Yes and see my post

The_OGCJR 01-22-2018 07:28 AM

Everyone that cries slipped liner really, really, really need to read this page: JE Robison Service - Bosch Car Service Specialists ? the blog: The last word on Land Rover liner failures - I hope!

number9 01-22-2018 07:49 AM


Originally Posted by COSitsWORTHit (Post 634157)
Everyone that cries slipped liner really, really, really need to read this page: JE Robison Service - Bosch Car Service Specialists ? the blog: The last word on Land Rover liner failures - I hope!


How about the engines that rap at idle? I’ve had several late model Discos at the shop with noise complaints. In two cases, dealers told the drivers they had noise from liners moving up and down, and they suggested the motor was about to fail as a result. One dealer actually got the motor hot and heard it rap, at which time he sprayed the side of the block with a hose and the rap went away. He told the customer that was evidence of liner movement.

Actually, it wasn’t. These photos make it pretty clear that late model liners have nowhere to move. The hose test simply showed that the noise went away when the engine block was cooled – in other words, the noise was triggered by thermal expansion.

Steve and I sorted that noise question out on another engine a few months back. On that motor – which had exactly the same hot rap – we found the piston skirts had collapsed in about ten thousandths of an inch. That was enough to make them rock when they got hot, and they rapped good and loud.
Thanks for the link.
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sickws6 01-22-2018 08:16 AM


Originally Posted by COSitsWORTHit (Post 634157)
Everyone that cries slipped liner really, really, really need to read this page: JE Robison Service - Bosch Car Service Specialists ? the blog: The last word on Land Rover liner failures - I hope!

I'm not buying it. Piston Skirt noise would be present at all RPM ranges.

I'm also confused to as why he is discussing the flanged liners if the liners are not the issue. if you have a cracked block the coolant will find its way up through any liner style.

Sixpack577 01-22-2018 08:31 AM

I got the heads off of mine yesterday, and just need to hook up the cherry picker to remove top 4 trans bolts, and I can pull the block.
All 8 cylinders look good. No steam cleaning anywhere, all looks good with minamal wear.
Land Rover brand head gaskets were on it(not sure if stock or had ever been done) and I had no heating issues, no Co2 in coolant, oil in coolant, or coolant in oil.
Engine ran great, other than loud tapping as it warmed up.
I replaced lifters, pushrods, rocker shafts, timing chain, and all looked good. Replaced oil pump, which was cracked in 3 places...and it still ticked!
So, I took it back apart, which is where I'm at now.
I've yet to check cam, crank or rod bearings, but can't belive they would make the tap or ticking sound, I would expect a noticeably different sound, a knock.
The top of the block looks good, and there is no ring/impression in the bottom of the head gasket, at any cyclinder, that would indicate the sleeve/liner is hitting the bottom of the head gasket.
I have read good info and arguments stating that liners do or don't slip. So far, these liners appear to be ok.
I still think I'm going to pin all 8. I'm about to have the engine out, so it would be one potential problem eliminated.
I will measure the piston skirts(as well as everything else), since the skirts were specifically mentioned in the above article. But again, I would expect a different sound from pistons, more of a knock or hollow sound, not a gremlin with a ball peen hammer.
Hopefully I can find a definative answer once I have everything apart and measured.
I'll post what I find.
I have to find something.

The_OGCJR 01-23-2018 11:59 AM


Originally Posted by sickws6 (Post 634165)
I'm not buying it. Piston Skirt noise would be present at all RPM ranges.

I'm also confused to as why he is discussing the flanged liners if the liners are not the issue. if you have a cracked block the coolant will find its way up through any liner style.

If you read the whole blog article at that link, you will see they have cut blocks in half and show you why the sleeves on LATE model 03, and 04’s don’t get slipping liners. Cliff notes: 03 and 04’s have a step at he bottom of the cylinder, preventing liners from fallingAlso note that in the article he shows how cylinder wall failure is more common.


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