Inline Thermostat Question
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Anything cooler than a 170F is gonna cause MPG drop, and your engine will tune itself to run rich (like it’s cold). 180F is fine, and yep that is just when it opens. Overall engine temp will depend on engine load, HVAC on, speed, traffic, air temp, and if you are towing a load or you are weighted down with cargo.
All my D2’s have pristine cooling systems and 180F thermostats and my temp range is 184-212F. I honestly don’t freak out unless I hit 215F and it doesn’t drop.
With the OEM 195F thermostat engine temps were in the 205-225F range easy. I owned 2 03 D2’s back in the day brand new & we never had an UltraGauge or Scangauge II. I got 153-193k out of both of those D2’s and I never did a HG job on either one of them.
D2’s have a rather small grill surface area & aux lights, aftermarket bumpers will slightly decrease air flow.
All my D2’s have pristine cooling systems and 180F thermostats and my temp range is 184-212F. I honestly don’t freak out unless I hit 215F and it doesn’t drop.
With the OEM 195F thermostat engine temps were in the 205-225F range easy. I owned 2 03 D2’s back in the day brand new & we never had an UltraGauge or Scangauge II. I got 153-193k out of both of those D2’s and I never did a HG job on either one of them.
D2’s have a rather small grill surface area & aux lights, aftermarket bumpers will slightly decrease air flow.
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#23
What running at lower temps does do is reduce the expansion of the cylinder walls and pistons. Because pistons are aluminum and cylinder walls are steel, they expand at different ratios and the clearances are different cold versus hot but it is a linear ratio, so a ten degree difference creates the same dimensional change at 170 as it does at 220. Because of the different expansion ratios, the clearances are tighter at higher operating temps than they are at lower operating temps. The engineers designed the clearances based on the planned operating temps, so when you operate below those temps the clearances are slightly larger. This can affect things like blow-by past the pistons of fuel, oil, (common in boat engines, where the thermostats are typically 140 degress to prevent salt precipitation in the cooling system) and in some cases it can create piston slap (most common in early Chevy LS engines where they ran the clearances a little loose cold).
The other thing that this expansion effect does is change the interference fit between the cylinder liner and the engine block, which is why I run the 170's when I can. The aluminum block expands faster than the steel liners, so hotter temps mean the fit gets looser. I have had several 03's with the dreaded slipped cylinder tick that would not make the tick as long as the thermostat was a 180 stat. I like to run the 170 stat for a little extra head room to reduce the possibility the cylinders slip.
Not to disagree with most of what Best posted, but I wanted to make sure the forum members had a correct understanding of the effects of a lower temp thermostat.
#24
If you run anything lower than a 180F on a D2 with secondary air injection a P0126 fault will constantly be triggered because the ECU isn’t seeing the engine warming up to temp quickly enough.
Fuel Injected engines are tuned to run in a certain temp range for best HP, MPG, and emissions.
Fuel Injected engines are tuned to run in a certain temp range for best HP, MPG, and emissions.
Last edited by Best4x4; 01-14-2019 at 09:41 AM.
#25
There's no way around that either is there?
And if I remove the SAI, then I'll keep getting a check engine light too, right?
I have an 04, and will be doing an inline thermostat, I also still have the SAI.
So, I guess it's use the SAI and a 180 thermostat...or clear check engine lights regulary.
And if I remove the SAI, then I'll keep getting a check engine light too, right?
I have an 04, and will be doing an inline thermostat, I also still have the SAI.
So, I guess it's use the SAI and a 180 thermostat...or clear check engine lights regulary.
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In my experience this is only true on 03 and up models, my 2000 SAI truck never throws a code with a 170 stat.
As explained above, the tune does not come in to play on the engine temperature. Manufacturers determined a long time ago approximately 180 degrees F is optimum for HP and MPG, but for emissions NOX is significantly reduced the hotter you run the engine, that is the main reason engine temps started increasing after the 1970s from the normal 180 degrees to the common 195 or 210 stats of the later models.
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