O2 sensor replacement
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A long-time, vocal contributor to this forum, now long gone, always said to replace all four together. I've never understand that. If the rears are not throwing codes then why bother? The rears (downstream) measure only how well the cats are performing and have absolutely no impact on engine management.
As for replacing the fronts in pairs, I've seen some suggestions that somehow the left and right banks will be "imbalanced" if you don't replace them together. That too makes no sense to me. I'm not saying that I am 100% certain I am correct; I have just never seen what I believed to be credible arguments to replace them in pairs, nor have I seen any reporting results of problems arising because only one O2 sensor was replaced.
I nonetheless once tried to replace the upstream pair together when a problem was indicated with only one upstream O2. It turned out that one of the two Bosch 15175 sensors I bought was bad out of the box, so I reinstalled the "good" sensor I'd removed. The truck ran great like that for a very, very long time. By "ran great" I mean that I could see the short-term and long-term fuel trims cycling in their normal ranges as displayed on my UltraGauge.
That does, however, illustrate why although you can save a few bucks ordering your O2 sensors online in my opinion it's better to buy them locally so that you have an easier and more immediate ability to return any that are bad out of the box, which seems to be an all too common occurrence.
There is nothing wrong with replacing in pairs; it just doesn't seem necessary.
As for replacing the fronts in pairs, I've seen some suggestions that somehow the left and right banks will be "imbalanced" if you don't replace them together. That too makes no sense to me. I'm not saying that I am 100% certain I am correct; I have just never seen what I believed to be credible arguments to replace them in pairs, nor have I seen any reporting results of problems arising because only one O2 sensor was replaced.
I nonetheless once tried to replace the upstream pair together when a problem was indicated with only one upstream O2. It turned out that one of the two Bosch 15175 sensors I bought was bad out of the box, so I reinstalled the "good" sensor I'd removed. The truck ran great like that for a very, very long time. By "ran great" I mean that I could see the short-term and long-term fuel trims cycling in their normal ranges as displayed on my UltraGauge.
That does, however, illustrate why although you can save a few bucks ordering your O2 sensors online in my opinion it's better to buy them locally so that you have an easier and more immediate ability to return any that are bad out of the box, which seems to be an all too common occurrence.
There is nothing wrong with replacing in pairs; it just doesn't seem necessary.
Last edited by mln01; 03-01-2016 at 05:24 AM.
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I tend to agree with min01. I listen to and respect the long time, vocal members and end up doing what I think is right. In my opinion, even lifers can be doing it either wrong all along or doing unnecessary replacements. I replaced the upstream O2's because they both were staying at a certain voltage, and never changing. Now both of them are cycling like the should.
On another subject, I will never agree with anyone that says 210-220 degrees is ok with these all aluminum engines. The Rover engine failures, i.e. liners, head gaskets are caused by heat more than anything else.
Just my .02
On another subject, I will never agree with anyone that says 210-220 degrees is ok with these all aluminum engines. The Rover engine failures, i.e. liners, head gaskets are caused by heat more than anything else.
Just my .02
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For the cost, do all four. If some are dead all the rest are close to end of life. You get a boost in milage, so pays for itself.
Would be an easy job if you could get at them, but be prepared for working with 2º of sweep and a lot of tools jammed up into the guts of your rig. Driver's front was the hardest if I remember correctly. Get the tool!
Would be an easy job if you could get at them, but be prepared for working with 2º of sweep and a lot of tools jammed up into the guts of your rig. Driver's front was the hardest if I remember correctly. Get the tool!
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I totally understand your opinions. I installed 2 front and now
For the cost, do all four. If some are dead all the rest are close to end of life. You get a boost in milage, so pays for itself.
Would be an easy job if you could get at them, but be prepared for working with 2º of sweep and a lot of tools jammed up into the guts of your rig. Driver's front was the hardest if I remember correctly. Get the tool!
Would be an easy job if you could get at them, but be prepared for working with 2º of sweep and a lot of tools jammed up into the guts of your rig. Driver's front was the hardest if I remember correctly. Get the tool!
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I replaced my front two individually. One about 2 years ago, and the other a couple weeks ago when that one went out. I thought they were extremely easy to replace. The driver side was a bit hard to get reconnected, but the passenger side can be done right from the engine compartment without even getting underneath.
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