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ZGPhoto 10-31-2013 02:51 PM

Right, but the stock system puts no load on the bar, ever, and is thinner?

dusty1 10-31-2013 03:33 PM

just face it Zack .... You have an inferior rig :p

ZGPhoto 10-31-2013 03:35 PM

I have sway bar disconnects in the front, and no sway bar with a panhard conversion in the rear, I am not worried about ACE's sweet bendy tricks :p

dusty1 10-31-2013 03:42 PM

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ZGPhoto 10-31-2013 03:46 PM

ha! there's other ones out there that keep me sized correctly.
I bet this one has ACE :)
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coors 10-31-2013 07:29 PM

Wait. Are they headlights I see hanging from the sway bar?!
Nioce!

And why does this truck need a winch?

ZGPhoto 10-31-2013 07:34 PM

Haha because even though it's 15 feet tall, the axles are still on 16" off the ground.

acamato 10-31-2013 08:52 PM


Originally Posted by ZGPhoto (Post 428820)
Right, but the stock system puts no load on the bar, ever, and is thinner?

The stock system will have no load when the wheels are level (at the same height). When the tires are not level the sway bar is loaded. If the stock system puts no load on the bar, why do you have disconnects?

The ACE system does not load the bar when the tires are uneven at low speeds (under 25 mph). The ACE has thicker bars because, when the system is loaded, it sees more torsion than the stock system.

ZGPhoto 10-31-2013 10:38 PM


Originally Posted by acamato (Post 428874)
The stock system will have no load when the wheels are level (at the same height). When the tires are not level the sway bar is loaded. If the stock system puts no load on the bar, why do you have disconnects?

The ACE system does not load the bar when the tires are uneven at low speeds (under 25 mph). The ACE has thicker bars because, when the system is loaded, it sees more torsion than the stock system.

The stock system doesn't "put" load on the bar, natural forces while articulating do. The ACE system has the same force on the bar while articulating, and also actually forces load on the bar while cornering.

I have disconnects because every sway bar ever limits articulation, even more-so when it can't bend at all.


Point being, there's no way an ACE setup could have more articulation unless the ACE system literally forced the sway bar to bend.

jafir 10-31-2013 10:47 PM

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Originally Posted by ZGPhoto (Post 428883)
The ACE system has the same force on the bar while articulating,

No. At low speeds (2 mph) the ace system does not exert any force on the bars. It works pretty much like the rubicon wranglers with automatic sway bar disconnects. At higher speeds, up to 25 mph, off-road, it uses rough road calculations to determine how much work to do. During side-slope conditions, the system locks to two halves of the bars together to provide increased stability.

The two ends of the bar aren't rigidly connected. Without the hydraulics they will move independently.

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