Sun Roof will not Close
Hi, The sun roof on my 1997 RR will not open or close. But is stuck half open, is there any way just to get it closed. Is everything under the head liner.What would you do?
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Download and read the RAVE, it also has exploded diagrams, plus troubleshooting:
76 CHASSIS AND BODY NEW RANGE ROVER 2 DESCRIPTION AND OPERATION DESCRIPTION The sunroof is electrically operated through a rocker switch located on the centre console. An electric motor, attached to the sunroof frame, drives the glass sunroof panel to the tilt or open positions. The glass panel is operated by two cables which are driven by the motor. The sunroof frame is bolted to eight mounting points on the roof panel. The frame is constructed from pressed steel and supports all of the sunroof components. A bracket at the front of the frame provides an attachment point for the sunroof motor. The motor is supported on the frame with three spacers and secured with three self tapping screws. A guide is fitted to each side of the sunroof frame. Each guide has an attachment at its forward end for the sunroof panel. The rear of the panel is attached to each guide on levers which operate the tilt function. The forward attachments and the levers slide in the guide to allow the panel to move in the desired position. Each lever has a peg located in a curved slot in the guide. The sunroof motor has a worm drive which drives a gear in a cast housing attached to the end of the motor. The gear has a small pinion gear attached to the outer part of its spindle. The pinion engages with the spiral cables to form a rack and pinion drive. Rotation of the motor turns the pinion which in turn drives the cables in the required direction. The two cables are attached either side of the pinion. One end of each cable is attached to the guide. The opposite end is clamped in its position on the pinion by a riveted bracket. The cables run in metal tubes to the guides. As the sunroof panel is closed, the cables are pulled through the metal tubes. The displaced cable is guided into plastic tubes which protect the cable and prevent the cable snagging. The cables are made from rigid spring steel and therefore can push as well as pull the sunroof along the guides. A sunshade is also located in the guides. When the sunroof panel is closed or tilted, the sunshade can be retracted or pulled forward to cover the sunroof panel. When the sunroof panel is opened, two brackets on the sunshade engage with the panel as it is retracted. The sunshade is then pulled back by the retracting panel. When the panel is closed, the sunshade remains retracted until pulled manually to its closed position. Drain hoses are connected to the front and rear corners of the frame. The drain hoses are located inside the ’A’ and ’D’ post pillars to allow water which has collected in the frame to escape. A one way valve is fitted to the end of each drain hose to prevent the ingress of dirt and moisture. OPERATION The sunroof can be operated with the ignition switch in position I or II. The sunroof can also be operated for up to 45 seconds after the ignition is switched off provided the driver’s door is not opened. When the driver’s door is opened, a further 45 second period commences. During the 45 second period the one touch function is inoperative. If a failure of the sunroof motor occurs for whatever reason, the sunroof can be closed manually. Removal of the interior courtesy lamp allows the fitment of a special key into a slot in the motor drive. The sunroof can then be manually driven to the closed position. The motor contains a microswitch and a Hall effect sensor. Two gears, driven by the motor at one end of the pinion drive spindle, trip the microswitch every thirteen revolutions of the spindle. When the microswitch is tripped, an open circuit signal is sensed by the Body electrical Control Module (BeCM). The signal from the microswitch, combined with signals received from the Hall effect sensor, are used by the BeCM to calculate the exact position of the sunroof. The Hall effect sensor is also responsible for the operation of the anti-trap function. Tilt Operation With the sunroof panel closed, pushing the lower part of the rocker switch operates the sunroof motor to ’tilt’ the rear of the sunroof upwards. The motor operates for as long as the switch is operated until the glass is tilted to its full extent. If the switch is released before the full tilt position is reached, the sunroof panel stops at the chosen position. When the tilt function is requested, the cables pull the guide forward, forcing the peg on each lever to move in the slot which raises the sunroof panel to the tilt position. With the sunroof panel in the tilted position, pushing the upper part of the rocker switch, operates the sunroof motor to lower the sunroof panel. The motor operates to lower the panel for as long as the switch is operated until the panel is fully lowered. If the switch is released before the fully lowered position is reached, the sunroof panel stops at the chosen position. Open (slide) Operation With the sunroof panel closed, pushing the upper part of the rocker switch operates the sunroof motor to lower the sunroof panel and retract it backwards. If the switch is held, the motor operates until the switch is released or the panel reaches its fully open position. If the switch is pushed momentarily (less than 0.5 seconds), the panel will retract automatically to a half open position. A second short push on the switch will automatically retract the panel fully. When the panel retracts, a wind deflector automatically raises at the front of the sunroof aperture which serves to reduce wind noise. When the open function is requested, the cables pull the guide in a rearward direction, forcing the peg on the lever to move in the slot which lowers the rear of the sunroof panel below the roof. As the panel begins to move, the forward panel attachments slide down a ramp in the guide, lowering the forward end of the panel below the roof. With the sunroof panel half or fully open, pushing the lower part of the switch operates the motor to close the sunroof panel. If the switch is held, the panel closes until the switch is released or the panel reaches its fully closed position. If the switch is pushed momentarily (less than 0.5 seconds), the panel will close automatically until it reaches the half open position. A second short push on the switch will automatically close the panel fully. The sunroof has an ’anti-trap’ function which prevents the sunroof panel from closing if an obstruction is sensed. When an obstruction is sensed, the motor will automatically retract the panel to the half or fully open position. A message ’SUNROOF BLOCKED’ is displayed on the message centre in the instrument pack. When the obstruction is removed, the panel can be closed by the normal method. Battery Disconnection If the battery has been disconnected, the one touch and anti-trap function will become inoperative. These functions can be reset by fully opening and closing, then fully tilting and closing the sunroof panel in one continuous operation. An audible warning will sound and ’SUNROOF NOT SET’ will be displayed on the message centre in the instrument pack when the sunroof is being operated. When the above procedure has been successfully completed, an audible warning will sound and ’SUNROOF SET’ will be displayed on the message |
Originally Posted by The Solution
(Post 269320)
Hi, The sun roof on my 1997 RR will not open or close. But is stuck half open, is there any way just to get it closed. Is everything under the head liner.What would you do?
It will be by one of the corners if I remember right. |
pull of the cover to the lite above your head and there is the motor, you need a special key or a screwdriver that fits it to wind it back.
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Keep The Rain Out
Originally Posted by Rovin4life
(Post 269596)
pull of the cover to the lite above your head and there is the motor, you need a special key or a screwdriver that fits it to wind it back.
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I did it ..... It worked great...reading Rave and how things work is one thing... but fixing things takes you guys... your the the Best...thanks
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Buzz I need to thank you.. forsure cw
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I know the thread is v old but I just wanted to register my gratitude at this solution which, as today I had just that issue of the sunroof not working on my P38, was absolutely invaluable. Many thanks!
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Welcome to the board Alan. Quick suggestion.... go to the 'user cp' section of the site (which can be found at the top of the thread near the 'new reply' button) and edit your signature in order to put the year and model of your truck in there so that it is easier to know quickly what truck you have when you (inevitably) need help.
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Originally Posted by WaltNYC
(Post 577871)
Welcome to the board Alan. Quick suggestion.... go to the 'user cp' section of the site (which can be found at the top of the thread near the 'new reply' button) and edit your signature in order to put the year and model of your truck in there so that it is easier to know quickly what truck you have when you (inevitably) need help.
What fools we all are....! :) |
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