Stock Rubicons have Dana44 axels with 411 gears and air lockers with 285 tires. I just bought an 04 Discovery SE and am learning that you can just put a 2' lift with 245's and it will be just as capable, except . Allthough it would be lacking ground clearence and it is longer, compared to a rubicon. I'm wondering if any of you guys owned jeeps before and why you chose the landrover.What are the axels?Are they tuff and comparable to a dana 44 or more like a dana 30? I still have to figure out what gearscome inthem.Thanks everyone.

I bought a Land Rover because it is better than a Jeep. It is The Best 4x4xFar, hands down.
Have you driven a LR? Do you likeaxles strong enough to hold a bridge? And easy towork on?
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=PLyb9CCWQog
The only thing differnet from these trucks and what you can buy is they are diesel (no diesels in the US) and they have roll cages and HD winches, HD springs, other than that they are stock.
Over 70% of all LR's EVER made are still on the road, you cant say that about a Jeep.
60yrs, sold all over the world and they are the most sought after 4x4 in the world.

What type of trails do you drive?

Owned Jeeps for 20 years before buying a Rover And have owned both for 2 years, before I decided that I was done with owning Jeeps and have been A Rover only owner for about a year now.

What Rover has over Jeep is comfort, class and uniqueness. Other than that Jeeps are much more reliable than rovers but they can be seen at every street corner.

Alot of twisty slopes and lots of rock. So you need ground clearence, low gears, strong axels and axel shaftsand lockers. Good transfer case with low ratio and a solid transmission. Well, thats why I baught one a disco but I just don't know all the specs for it like I know for a jeep. Anyone thats in the 4wheel world knows things like, dana 44 or 9 inch or cromoly axleshafts, 30 spline,tranfer drops and low range kits ect....I'm just making sure on what Iv'e heard through out the years is true about disco. I know that your rig is as good as you build it. Know matter what you have, you need strong axles, low gears, ground clearence, andlockers, or "cdl". I have never seen any land rover really set up before in action. To do some of the trailes I'm used to, any jeep would nee at least a 4inch with 33's. So I don't think a 2inch with 245 on my rover would do it. The thing thats awsome is Iv'e seen most all landrovers either stock or with a 2-3inch and 245-265 tires. You guys have been great,so thanks for all the tips, soon I will building it up.

Before you build your truck you need to see what it can do in stock form.You WILL be suprised. That being said Land Rovers are not for everyone.
We dont talk about the Dana axles and the like because we dont need them. You can get 24 spline HD axles for your Rover. The low range in the t-case will pull a house of the foundation.
Why did you buy a LR?

You may need to join the forum to read the post but this is a fun read (http://www.discoweb.org/forums/showthread.php?t=48127&highlight=dana) on DiscoWeb.

Rovers are the best at combining luxury and off-road capability, but I do not think a stock disco can keep up with a rubicon on the trail. f/r locked 44s, 4:1 transfer case crawl ratio and better approach/departure angles. I have not wheeled my rover very much but I have seen just about everything a rubicon is capable of over the past 4 years.

just out of curiosity, does anybody know the low range gear ratio for the disco? It does seem powerful.

D2Guy has a link to the gear ratios from the RAVE manual in this thread.
http://www.landroverforums.com/m_76599/tm.htm

Thanks spike. 3.32:1, that is quite impressive for a stock vehicle.

I've had two Troopers, parts are expensive and the engines sucked but they did quite will offroad.
I've had a Cherokee which was fairly bullet proof other than body flex great engine and drive train and it did really well offroad.
I've had a Grand Cherokee which was stock and I really didn't do any heavy offroading in it.
I've had a Wrangler with open diffs and it was the worst offroad vehicle I've ever had.
I've had a Range Rover Classic that went great offroad and was the epitome of luxury but it had electrical gremlins.
I've had a Disco I that was great offroad, hung with any 4wd any of my friends had, and was bullet proof.
I currently have a Disco II and it is the best of all the worlds. Great offroad, ACE makes it corner like a BMW, I love it.

All the trucks above had at least 2" of lift and decent offroad tires. Traction is what it's all about IMO. The Rubicon is awesome but there are a bunch of other trucks out there that are all relatively equal. There is only one Landrover, they wrote the book that all the rest copy, and the feeling of driving a Landrover can't be matched by anything. Except maybe a G-Wagen.............. Just kidding. To answer your question, my traction control blows me away every time I climb something the other guys have to hammer to get up and my ground clearance with 265's is plenty for 99% of the stuff out there.

I can keep up with those heeps all day long. I can and I do. My whole 4x4 club is jeeps. p.s. I'm All open. no lockers. no cdl. I just know how to drive.

I'm throwing in the CDL real soon though. I have been testing my luck.. not much left.


but.. I don't wheel in rocks and all that. I live in south florida.


forgot to add. I'm running 285s (33") 3.25" lift. snorkel. 4.6L ... Our trucks don't weigh much more then a jeep with axles/lockers/tires.. the 4.6 really beats up the jeeps 4.0...

actually, discos weigh about 1,300 more lbs. than a wrangler. The Jeep 4.0L has a very good track record over the past 20 years and will easily go 200K+ without major problems...bottom line..it's hard to compare the two..one cost $40K and the other can be purchased for $20K.

How much weight can a stock disco pull?

Discoveries can tow 5500 pounds with a brake trailer in high range, 7700 in low range. The standard gear ratio in the LR ales is 3.55:1.

ORIGINAL: NiteTrain

actually, discos weigh about 1,300 more lbs. than a wrangler. The Jeep 4.0L has a very good track record over the past 20 years and will easily go 200K+ without major problems..



Really? I never looked into the weight of the jeeps. My friend with a modded jeep told me they are close in weight, that his jeep weights about 5400. Give or take.

Rover engines can hit into the 300K (there are a couple guys anyways)... Idk about the problems that come along with that high mileage though.

ORIGINAL: AK Rover

Discoveries can tow 5500 pounds with a brake trailer in high range, 7700 in low range. The standard gear ratio in the LR ales is 3.55:1.


They will tow (and do everywhere else in the world) 7700 lbs in High range.

Disco axle strength compared to Jeep axle strength. Axle (http://www.discoweb.org/forums/showthread.php?t=26521&highlight=jeep)

Same link I posted in the other jeep vs disco thread.

Dweb is a great place to send a Jeep guy. They will answer ALL of his questions.

I would put the strenght of the Disco's axle between the Dana 35 and Dana 44. Something like the chrysler 8.25 that I had in mycherokee. Discos do excellent in close to stock form. There's no need to overdo stuff like the Jeep crowd tend to do all the time. Even in the rover world there is such a thing as overlifting.

The Discovery is one of the most capable off-road vehice/highway comfortable vehicle out there. Overlifting it and go overagressive on the tires and you take away a lot in the comfort factor. A 2 inch lift with 31 or 32 inch tires at the most is an excellent balance of both worlds. Anyone that says otherwise is simply lying to him or herself.

In my Jeep club, I usually tell people to go straight to a 3 to 4 inch teraflex lift with 33 inch tires and be done with it, instead of buying spacers with 31 inch tires and then finding out its not enough to follow the guys and try to sell the spacers and tires and go bigger and bigger.......

With a Discovery I say go small and then adjust if need be. A Rover is a Rover because it can take you off-road all day and then take you out to dinner in class. If your gonna make your rover a Jeep and take the class factor away, might as well get a Jeep .

ORIGINAL: Spike555

Dweb is a great place to send a Jeep guy. They will answer ALL of his questions.



Lol. I am not trying to convert anyone to dweb.. I like this place a lot. Dweb eats Everyone alive haha.

Yes they do.BUT they are a bunch of gear heads and they might have better answers for him.
I like LRF's better because we dont have as many arguments as those guys. Our members are more helpfulI think.

Dweb seems like a bunch of elitist that if you're not in the inner loop and think exactly the same as them then you're just asking for a lot of abuse. They do actually have a lot of information if you can get passed the insults.

Yeah I know what dweb is like, I have been on that forum for almost 3 years. ^^

I use Dweb for the tech sections and parts for sale. That's where I got my shocks, and winch and some other parts. I read all the posts for the Disco board, but rarely do I post there. I also like LRRForums because there are a lot of local guys and the Cerrone's run the site.

ORIGINAL: Darover

I would put the strenght of the Disco's axle between the Dana 35 and Dana 44. Something like the chrysler 8.25 that I had in mycherokee.


I did some axle strength research before I bought my rover but never could get an exact answer. I sure hope disco axles are stronger than the 8.25 since rovers weigh a lot more than the unibody cherokees.

ORIGINAL: NiteTrain

ORIGINAL: Darover

I would put the strenght of the Disco's axle between the Dana 35 and Dana 44. Something like the chrysler 8.25 that I had in myÂ*cherokee.


I did some axle strength research before I bought my rover but never could get an exact answer. I sure hope disco axles are stronger than the 8.25 since rovers weigh a lot more than the unibody cherokees.



What Did you find out about the axle strength?

ORIGINAL: Disco2Guy

I use Dweb for the tech sections and parts for sale.Â* That's where I got my shocks, and winch and some other parts.Â* I read all the posts for the Disco board, but rarely do I post there.Â* I also like LRRForums because there are a lot of local guys and the Cerrone's run the site.


I'm on lrrfoums as well. But I havnt posted there in ages, it has always seemed real slow.

If I was going to by a new truck then it would be a hard choice with Land Rovers
less of a truck now.

What do you mean? Even the new non-solid axle rovers are better then most new 4x4s out there. Tacoms, FJ cruisers ect..

The most consistent answer I received about axle strength was between dana 35 and 44 stock, but just as strong as D44 if you upgrade to the 30 spline shafts.(I believe 30 is correct)

I researched some more. Stock rover axles are Almost as strong as D44s, however the HD rover axles are stronger then D44s. :) Rovers have weak CVs though.

I'll read into it more tonight just to double check.

HD Rover axles? Now, that means what? Stock Discovery 2 axles that are beefed up! Or are they completely a full swap out different axle? Now I know you can take these disco2 axles and make them stronger, by cromoly axle shafts, but what else can you do to them, or is that all you need to do. I've heard of disco's with Toy converted axles, spyder 9's, 24 spline hd axles, and fj80 axles. I'm guessing that none of these start out as a factory stock disco axle??? At any rate, I'm not looking to swop out running gear but what is the best way to beef up or bullitproof the stock disco2 axles. You guys have said that 285 or 33's are the limmit for these axles, well if thats the limmit then you don't want to be on the trail wheeling with them. I would rather build the axles as much as you can and be safe! Thats gets me and my family home! Thanks all.

ek3usmc, you can buy 30 spline axle shafts for the disco. I think they're about $100/each.

ORIGINAL: ek5usmc

HD Rover axles? Now, that means what? Stock Discovery 2 axles that are beefed up! Or are they completely a full swap out different axle? Now I know you can take these disco2 axles and make them stronger, by cromoly axle shafts, but what else can you do to them, or is that all you need to do. I've heard of disco's with Toy converted axles, spyder 9's, 24 spline hd axles, and fj80 axles. I'm guessing that none of these start out as a factory stock disco axle??? At any rate, I'm not looking to swop out running gear but what is the best way to beef up or bullitproof the stock disco2 axles. You guys have said that 285 or 33's are the limmit for these axles, well if thats the limmit then you don't want to be on the trail wheeling with them. I would rather build the axles as much as you can and be safe! Thats gets me and my family home! Thanks all.


Yeah, Great Basin Rovers is the Supplier for HD axles. Rovertracks may also sell them, but I believe they have been out of stock for some time. The axles are not rebuilt axles but completely new axles (at least to my knowledge..).

I never heard of anyone strengthening a rover axle by cromoly.

Great Basin Rovers (http://www.greatbasinrovers.com/) GBR site is messed up, you can call them and tell them what you want to do with your disco and they can help you. They have great knowledge with discos and there abilities ect..

Rover Tracks (http://rovertracks.com/)

Some say the Toy conversion is the Strongest set up for a decent price, Which is a complete new axle housing axles and all that... (besides putting in portals/60s.. all that work) But it is A lot of fab work. I'd rather just do GBR axles.. ALSO, as far as I know Keith at RoverTracks is still working on the DII toy conversions swap, it has been done on the DI just not the DII yet. Still in the process.

Some guys on Discoweb wheel locked DIIs with stock axles on 33s and haven't broke anything yet. But, it just depends on how hard you wheel and if you play hard in rocks.

GBR has been testing there axles on 37" tires and haven't had problems yet. Justin from Lucky 8 has GBR axles on 37x13.5 tires on his DI and is doing fine, But he drives easy and uses his winch..

When it comes down to it. Everything breaks...

I still say just put on a decent lift with 33s and see how your disco handles with CDL+TC. It may suit your needs just fine. If you end up breaking an axle, then upgrade to GBR ect. If you are worried about 33s just put on 32s. Unless you Really want 33s, I know I did ;)

When you say "build up the axles" what do you mean? The axle housing or the axle shaft?

ORIGINAL: NiteTrain

ek3usmc, you can buy 30 spline axle shafts for the disco. I think they're about $100/each.


Really now? Where can you get these axle shafts? ;)

Build your axle, means stronger guts, like axle shafts, gears, everything inside. The disco axles are so heavy I would hope there axle housing is strong. Thanks
Hey guys, I went and looked at my 04 disco2 today and seen the air compressor under the hood but looking at the rear springs I didnt see any air ride suspinsion leveling WHATEVER. In the front the shock is inside the spring. Auto leveling? Where is the setup attached to the axels or how does it work? I just want to make sure someone didnt remove anything. Thanks. Oh, I agree I'll lift it and 285 then test it out, maybe through a set of 30 spline cromoly axle shafts in them. I really want the rover tyme 5 inch express with 35's, lock front and rear, with 411 gears. But I realize that even if I strengthen the stock axles with a set of 30 spline cromoly axle shafts, that it might be to hard on them. Like you guys said, with a 3inch and 285 or then I dont have to remove that air ride leveling system. So that might be the way for now. see, you go though all that work, get it out and you then want bigger and stronger. These can still be luxury and nice with the 5' with 35's. you just have to spend alot more money . The other problem is finding someone to install all of it??? I live in Redding , ca. way north ca. Thanks guys

Are you sure cromoly axle shafts will fit, do they even make them for a rover? I have never heard that.

So first you wanted a 4" lift and now you want a 5" lift? Are you justthumbing through a Petersons magazine and just copying whatyou are reading? Because that is what it is sounding like.
You yourself said that you know nothing about LR's. Soyou need to educate yourself on the brand and what they can do before you go and spend any money and ruin a perfectly good truck.
As far as the shocks being inside the springs, duh, that is how a true off road truck is built. The shocks are safely tucked out of harms way. The shocks are what holds the axle to the truck. Remove the shocks and anti sway bars and the axle will fall onto the ground. That setup means better axle articulation. Almost 10" of wheel travel IN STOCK FORM.
THESE ARE NOT PIECE OF **** JEEPS.
If you break a axle on a LR while on the trail you can remove it in about 5 min and still drive home. You dont even need to take the tire off the truck to do it. 5 bolts and the axle shaft slides right out.
Put the magazine down and do your research.

Keep going with the lift, and you'll end up here and with VERY strong axles :D

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Actually Spike, with the D2's you have to remove the hub to get the axle out. I don't understand how you're going to build-up axles. In one of my first replies (along with a few other people) I said GBR is about your only option for HD axles. RoverTracks has been working on some for the D2 for a while but there's no set date when they will be available.

If you're going to do a 5" lift with 285's your going to spend a huge amount of money. RTE's site says "Call for Pricing" for the D2 5" lift, but the D1 set runs almost $2900. That's before any shipping, front/rear driveshafts, HD axles, tires, and wheels (if you have 18"). That's at least $7K in parts alone. There's also labor if you can't do the install yourself. You just don't need to do this. There's a handful of guys that run a 5" lift on a Rover, and all of them know exactly what they are doing and why it needs to be done. I would not consider that a family trail rig. Maybe for a Jeep, but surely not in a Rover. You will also suffer from very poor gas milage. Have you thought about the COG (Center Of Gravity) being so greatly affected?

I'd stop worrying about the axles and look into stuff you'll really to start off with. Sliders, HD steering components (drag link, track rod, and panhard rod), bumpers, diff and gas tank guards. I am a believer in first having the right equipment to protect/get you out of a sticky situation before having the equipment that really gets you into that sticky situation.

ORIGINAL: Jupiter Rover

What do you mean? Even the new non-solid axle rovers are better then most new 4x4s out there. Tacoms, FJ cruisers ect..


With out the D-110 in the US the four door Rubicon is all we have in that class of vehicle.
Its a open class with only one truck in it, how many 4 door Jeeps do you see a day ?

I will hope that LR will see the light and bring in the D-110 & D-90's

D2Guy-I think this guy is a "troll". He is here to try and start trouble. I could be wrong but I doubt it. Notice that he hasnt listened to a thing we have said and the lift gets bigger and bigger all the time?

Ha, I was thinking the same thing when I stopped writing at 1:30 in the morning.

These thoughts are not coming out of the air spike555! I called rover tyme, and we talked about it. They don't make a 4' lift, you can achieve it with 3' and spacers. I am doing my reserchand will find the right set up. I won't build my rig one way because of money. I'll build it slowley so it is capable for what I want it to do. I have beenoff roading since high school, now 28, and have had a few jeeps, ulong with others. I'll start asking axle shops and companies instead of here. Thanks.You dont just through a 3' lift and 285's on a disco to see if it will work for me or because people say , "OH, IT WILL MAKE IT THROUGH ANYTHING' ITS A LR!!"Waste of time! I just want to build it right ONE TIME! I like the forums because you all know from experience and you get to acually talk to wheelers. Plus theres no room for the word DUH in the vocabulary, so if your in the mood to insult, than don't answere my questions and post. Thanks.As far as the shock in the spring, that is not my question, I was just explaining what I seen! Front does, back the shocks are not in the springs, so any way, I wanted to know where is the air suspinsion that levels the truck out, I could not see anything under there, like air bags. Are they attachted to the top of the spring?

I take everything you guys say very seriously, and respect you for your knowledge. I'm just trying to get your opinion on all different sizes and set ups. I'm no TROLL, and DO not want to start any trouble, so quit insulting me and lets talk LR's like the forums aredesined to DO!!! I am defenatly leaning twords looking to see if any one make a full 4' suspinsion lift and run 285'sor, if not, then I'll just do the best 3' and through in a spacer, matched with 285. Thanks

Here is a better forum for what you are looking to do. These guys are gearheads and are into lifting their trucks.
www.discoweb.org (http://www.discoweb.org).

ORIGINAL: Spike555

As far as the shocks being inside the springs, duh, that is how a true off road truck is built. The shocks are safely tucked out of harms way. The shocks are what holds the axle to the truck. Remove the shocks and anti sway bars and the axle will fall onto the ground.



PSSST Spike (whisper) Actually its the control arms that really hold the front axle......

Dan, I know, I was just trying to make a point in as few words as possible. He hasnt been listening to a thing that we have been telling him and I shouldnt let it get to me but I did. You try and help someone and when they dont listen to a word you say it is aggrevating.

MMMMM, I'm really strating to see a pattern here....You sound like those kids in my Jeep club who's dad got them a Jeep and now they want to lift it sky high. Rovers are for those a little more mature that have reach a certain 'je ne sais quoi ! '......wisedom. Yep, that's the word I'm looking for. With your 'I want it all now' attitude, I sincerely think that you should go back to Jeeps for a while and come back in a decade or so. Nothing beats the top down and doors off when off road anyway!!!

But if you beg to differ, then follow at least part of the advice given and start small while learning what you need. And NO!! a 5 inch lift with 33 inch tires don't look classy in town at all! Unless your definition of class means impressing those kids in their dropped civics.

ORIGINAL: Spike555

Dan, I know, I was just trying to make a point in as few words as possible. He hasnt been listening to a thing that we have been telling him and I shouldnt let it get to me but I did. You try and help someone and when they dont listen to a word you say it is aggrevating.



Wait till your kids become teens. You'll enjoy this all day long. I have a 16 year old daughter and as much as she asks for advice, she doesn't follow it.

Sometimes you're absolutely 100% sure that the message got through their head because your argument is perfectly logic and bulletproof....But hell NO!

By the way Spike.....the name is Steph and that is mewith the youngest one. Thank god, by the time she gets in her teens, thew oldest one will be an adult.


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For large lifts http://www.scorpionracing.co.uk/
to call use country code (011) USA then 0044-020-8211-4888

Steph-I have a 17 yr old son, a 7 yr old daughter and a 10 month old son. And NON of them listen, EVER!
It gets warm enough up there in Canada to go to a water park? LOL

ORIGINAL: ek5usmc

These thoughts are not coming out of the air spike555! I called rover tyme, and we talked about it. They don't make a 4' lift, you can achieve it with 3' and spacers. I am doing my reserchand will find the right set up. I won't build my rig one way because of money. I'll build it slowley so it is capable for what I want it to do. I have beenoff roading since high school, now 28, and have had a few jeeps, ulong with others. I'll start asking axle shops and companies instead of here. Thanks.You dont just through a 3' lift and 285's on a disco to see if it will work for me or because people say , "OH, IT WILL MAKE IT THROUGH ANYTHING' ITS A LR!!"Waste of time! I just want to build it right ONE TIME! I like the forums because you all know from experience and you get to acually talk to wheelers. Plus theres no room for the word DUH in the vocabulary, so if your in the mood to insult, than don't answere my questions and post. Thanks.As far as the shock in the spring, that is not my question, I was just explaining what I seen! Front does, back the shocks are not in the springs, so any way, I wanted to know where is the air suspinsion that levels the truck out, I could not see anything under there, like air bags. Are they attachted to the top of the spring?


Read MY posts. I told you all the axle options and what is involved with 3"+ lifts! If you want to build IT right, the Way you want it.. Then buy RTEs 5" but be ready to drop four grand in one week Just in parts. That is why I said go with there 2" lift (nets almost 3") put on 285s and see if that is all you need. You may be very happy with what a disco can do with the 2" lift on 33s with CDL+TC..

If you really want RTE 5" with axles+lockers you are looking at nearly 8-10 grand in parts alone....

If you have springs in the Rear, Then you don't have airbags. Is it That hard?

One last thing. You grew up with jeeps. These LRs perfrom Very differently. I wheel with jeeps on 6" lifts and 35" tires yada yada. Im on a 3" lift with 33s.. I do Just fine. Jeeps are not comparable with land rovers. What you can do on a jeep w/ a 6" lift on 35s" you can do even more with a disco on a 2-3" lift on 33s... Why can't you understand that?

ORIGINAL: Spike555

Steph-I have a 17 yr old son, a 7 yr old daughter and a 10 month old son. And NON of them listen, EVER!
It gets warm enough up there in Canada to go to a water park? LOL


Well, then I guess you know what I'm talking about. I know you were jocking, but a lot of pewople have a mis-conception about 'up here' as you call it. Especially the southern part of Canada like where I live. For one Canada gets called ' the great white North' amongst other things;)But last winter aside,we get much less snow than most of your northern states. And in a normal year, from May to Sept. the average temp is around 82 degrees with lots of day in the low 100s.

Later

I am only 20. ;)

Only 20 and you have a '03? Man. I dont know if I should be jelous or not. lol
DanRover-Depending on where you live you might actually be in a lower hemisphere than me here in MI. And yes I was joking with you. Did you get your trun signal fixed?

I get it, I guess whoever had before me took out the air bags and put springs. So, maybe it broke? I don't hear anything wrong when its running. I'm guessing I just leave the air compressor under the hood alone? I fully understand about all your advice and dont want to over lift my disco, so I'll order a 3' rtl and run a set of 285's with my cdl+tc. That way I dont need a new rear drive shaft, just replace the roto-flex, put greasable ujoints inthe front, under armor diffs,fuel,and sterring,quik disconnects, and figure out what bumper set up to go with. 9-12,000 lb winch, a full 75k tune up and be done. Thanks for all the advice.

Just to clear it up, I said 5' with 35's not 33's, not going that rout anyway and I dont give a s**t about impressing anyone, just the trails. Thanks

Not all Disco's had SLS. When it does go badone of the fixes is to convert to coils.
The compressor is under the passengers feet. If you have ACE (active cornering enhancment) that pump runs off the engine as does the secondary air pump.
You can tell if you have ACE by looking at the power steering resevoir, if it has two caps and one says "ACE" on it then you have it. It takes power steering fluid.

This has been an extremely entertaining thread to follow. Best one i've read. Great entertainment listening to all of you ragging on each other. Saturday Night Live has nothing on you guys. I love my Disco but run a lot with Jeeps in my area. Both are great trucks. I don't understand all the animosity between both brands. I love to see all the different brands be they Jeeps, LR's, Toyotas, etc. and what they do to build them up. I like watching all the different trucks on trails. Makes life interesting. I'm just pro 4-wheeling not pro any one brand.

Thanks Spike555, I'll check that out.

ORIGINAL: Roverrocks

This has been an extremely entertaining thread to follow. Best one i've read. Great entertainment listening to all of you ragging on each other. Saturday Night Live has nothing on you guys. I love my Disco but run a lot with Jeeps in my area. Both are great trucks. I don't understand all the animosity between both brands. I love to see all the different brands be they Jeeps, LR's, Toyotas, etc. and what they do to build them up. I like watching all the different trucks on trails. Makes life interesting. I'm just pro 4-wheeling not pro any one brand.



Well, you may have a point about the intertainment factor, but you will notice that unlike other rover sites, nobody gets told Off or called rude names. as far as the animosity regarding the Jeep brand, I don't get it either since I've been a Jeep fan my whole life and have personnally owned 4 until last year when I decided to sell the last one, due to the fact that I wasn't using it anymore since the rover was getting all the attention and driving time. But it is a fact that the jeep crowd is much younger and immature, except for the older guys but they only represent 10% of the owners.

http://apu.mabul.org/up/apu/2008/09/19/img-031153suwic.jpg

PSSSSSST Spike.....the air compressor is on the driver's side. It's the ACE block that is on the passenger's side :)

Steph, dont correct me in front of the kids, it gives them the wrong impression. ;)

Man I love that Conniston Green so much.

Conniston Green?

The link to Darover's Jee (http://apu.mabul.org/up/apu/2008/09/19/img-031153suwic.jpg)p (http://apu.mabul.org/up/apu/2008/09/19/img-031153suwic.jpg) also has his Disco in the background, and it is the very rare (for a D2) Conniston Green.

Ohh THAT green. I love it. Very nice and Very rare. :)