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Old 01-13-2008, 06:48 PM
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I have a '95 Discovery. My ABS light is on (big surprise). I want to try to fix it myself. I found the ABS connector, I think. It's blue and it's on the driver's side. It's below where all the fuses are. I had to pop off some plastic snaps and lower this cardboard cover thing. The connector I'm looking at has 4 wires running to it. I tried jumping a black wire with a black/purple wire (the purple looks pink to me). I had the ignition in the two position but the car wasn't on. My ABS light just stayed on. It didn't blink or anything. Am I using the right connector? Am I jumping the correct wires? The other two wires were white and white/red, or something like that. Any help would be appreciated.

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Why are you messing with the wires under the hood? 90% of the time it is a wheel sensor that is bad. Too much brake dust sets them off everytime. The also get knocked out of spec from potholes.
I wouldnt mess with the ABS module under the hood unless you know what you are doing.
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I'm not messing with wires under the hood. Maybe you misunderstood because I said fuse box. I probably should have said fuse panel. I'm messing with the connector for the ABS code reader, whatever it's called. It's inside of the truck beneath the steering wheel.
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Not sure who told you that you could clear the codes with a jumper. YOu need to take it to an indy rover shop that will read and clear the codes. If they come back, YOu know where to start.

If you can clear them by shorting a jumper, it's news to me..
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Old 01-13-2008, 10:37 PM
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...not clear them with a jumper, but diagnose them. There's a way to jumper two terminals of the ABS connector. The ABS light will flash a numeric code. That numeric code corresponds to a specific problem, i.e. a failed wheel sensor. I was hoping someone was familiar with the method.
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Here is the ABSfault diagnosisI'm trying to mimic. I stole this post from another forum. Hopefully, this will help explain my initial question which was that I wanted to make sure I had the right connector and wires.
[/align][/align]SUBJECT:
ABS Fault Blink Code Diagnostic Procedure

MODEL:
Discovery

AFFECTED VEHICLES
LP
LH
LJ TA163104 onwards
LJ TA501920 onwards

DETAIL

If diagnostic equipment is not available (i.e. there is not a current TestBook disk available) the following procedure can be carried out using the "Blink Code" method to read fault codes. Faults are stored in the ECU memory in code form, which can be retrieved by initiating and reading a series of flash and pause sequences on the ABS warning light.

ACTION REQUIRED

If diagnostic equipment is not available follow the procedure below to diagnose an ABS fault.

PARTS INFORMATION

YPJ10015 - terminal - 2 required (available in LRNA Terminal Kit).

PROCEDURE

1. Fabricate a jumper wire with YPJ10015 terminals and appropriate wire (6" length 16 gauge).

2. Locate TestBook diagnostic connector under dash. Connect jumper wire to pins 5 and 15 and turn ignition to position 2.

3. Five seconds after the ignition is turned to position 2 the Anti-Lock warning light will extinguish, indicating the start of the cycle.

4. Observe the Anti-Lock warning light, the start phase of the blink code is signified by the following:

- Pause = 2.5 secs. (long)

- Flash = 2.5 secs. (long)

- Pause = 2.5 secs. (long)

- Flash = 0.5 secs. (short)



5. The first part of the code number is determined by a pause of 2.5 secs. which precedes a series of short flashes then a long pause. The number of short flashes is equal to the first digit in the fault code.

6. The second digit in the code number is determined after a pause of 2.5 secs. which occurs between the first and second code flashes. After the pause there will be a number of short flashes, the number of flashes is equal to the second digit in the fault code. After the flashes there will be another pause of 2.5 seconds before the system repeats the flash and pause sequence. This will allow for a verification of the code or if the initial flash and pause sequence was missed.



7. The sequence of the start phase, first and second code parts will continue until terminated by the operator. To terminate the code sequence disconnect the jumper wire.

NOTE:Termination will clear the memory of that particular fault, and the fault will not be retrievable. Do not terminate the sequence if unsure of the code number.

8. The memory is capable of storing more than one fault. To search the memory, after the jumper wire is disconnected wait until the Anti-Lock light illuminates and then turn the ignition off, the code is now completely cleared. To obtain the next code repeat the procedure from step 2.

9. If there are no faults remaining there will be a long pause of 7.5 secs. after the start phase.

10. Once all the codes have been obtained and cleared, locate the problem cause and rectification for each code and fix accordingly.


FAULT CODE LIST

KEY: IV - Inlet Valve, OV - Outlet Value, RCP - Recirculation pump (ABS pump)

Sensor check:

1. Carry out multimeter test, check electrical resistance of sensor, this should be 700-2000 ohms. Check sensor voltage output, this should be greater than or equal to 0.93 VAC RMS when rotating the wheel at 1 rev/sec.

2. Check sensor air gap. Push sensor through bush until it touches exciter ring. Sensor will be knocked back to correct position when the vehicle is driven.

3. Check run out of the exciter ring and rectify if necessary.

4. Check bearing play and adjust if necessary.

5. Check sensor bush and exchange if necessary.[/align]__________________
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Sorry I can't help. I just took mine in. I am familiar with the procedure, but have never heard of anyone using it...
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Hi,

Our 1997 Disco has the OBD-II system, and the connector for that system is where to initiate the blink codes. I'm not sure if your 1995 Discovery has the OBD-II, but if so, check out my posting here (which is copied below, less pics and videos):
<http://jaybeale.blogspot.com/2008/03...reset-abs.html>


1997 Land Rover Discovery - reset ABS warning light

The following are instructions I found on the 'net. They worked perfectly for me on our 1997 Land Rover Discovery to reset the ABS warning light. Our car as the OBD-II connector under the dash, projecting through the fashia just below the fuse box and above the gas pedal.


*********************

ABS Fault Blink Code Diagnostic Procedure

MODEL:
Discovery

AFFECTED VEHICLES
LP
LH
LJ TA163104 onwards
LJ TA501920 onwards

DETAIL

If diagnostic equipment is not available (i.e. there is not a current TestBook disk available) the following procedure can be carried out using the "Blink Code" method to read fault codes. Faults are stored in the ECU memory in code form, which can be retrieved by initiating and reading a series of flash and pause sequences on the ABS warning light.

ACTION REQUIRED

If diagnostic equipment is not available follow the procedure below to diagnose an ABS fault.

PARTS INFORMATION

YPJ10015 - terminal - 2 required (available in LRNA Terminal Kit).

PROCEDURE

1. Fabricate a jumper wire with YPJ10015 terminals and appropriate wire (6" length 16 gauge).

2. Locate TestBook diagnostic connector under dash. Connect jumper wire to pins 5 and 15 and turn ignition to position 2.

3. Five seconds after the ignition is turned to position 2 the Anti-Lock warning light will extinguish, indicating the start of the cycle.

4. Observe the Anti-Lock warning light, the start phase of the blink code is signified by the following:

- Pause = 2.5 secs. (long)
- Flash = 2.5 secs. (long)
- Pause = 2.5 secs. (long)
- Flash = 0.5 secs. (short)

5. The first part of the code number is determined by a pause of 2.5 secs. which precedes a series of short flashes then a long pause. The number of short flashes is equal to the first digit in the fault code.

6. The second digit in the code number is determined after a pause of 2.5 secs. which occurs between the first and second code flashes. After the pause there will be a number of short flashes, the number of flashes is equal to the second digit in the fault code. After the flashes there will be another pause of 2.5 seconds before the system repeats the flash and pause sequence. This will allow for a verification of the code or if the initial flash and pause sequence was missed.

7. The sequence of the start phase, first and second code parts will continue until terminated by the operator. To terminate the code sequence disconnect the jumper wire.

NOTE:Termination will clear the memory of that particular fault, and the fault will not be retrievable. Do not terminate the sequence if unsure of the code number.

8. The memory is capable of storing more than one fault. To search the memory, after the jumper wire is disconnected wait until the Anti-Lock light illuminates and then turn the ignition off, the code is now completely cleared. To obtain the next code repeat the procedure from step 2.

9. If there are no faults remaining there will be a long pause of 7.5 secs. after the start phase.

10. Once all the codes have been obtained and cleared, locate the problem cause and rectification for each code and fix accordingly.


FAULT CODE LIST

KEY: IV - Inlet Valve, OV - Outlet Value, RCP - Recirculation pump (ABS pump)

Sensor check:

1. Carry out multimeter test, check electrical resistance of sensor, this should be 700-2000 ohms. Check sensor voltage output, this should be greater than or equal to 0.93 VAC RMS when rotating the wheel at 1 rev/sec.

2. Check sensor air gap. Push sensor through bush until it touches exciter ring. Sensor will be knocked back to correct position when the vehicle is driven.

3. Check run out of the exciter ring and rectify if necessary.

4. Check bearing play and adjust if necessary.

5. Check sensor bush and exchange if necessary.



*********************

The Codes:
Code 2-6 - Faulty stoplight switch or wiring. Fuse A5 blown or not fitted
Code 2-7 - Continuous supply to ECU with ignition off. Faulty valve relay or wiring Code 2-8 - No voltage to ABS solenoid valves. Faulty valve relay or wiring.
Code 2-12 - Front right, too large an air gap or the sensor has been forced out by exciter ring.
Code 2-13 - Rear left, too large an air gap or the sensor has been forced out by exciter ring.
Code 2-14 - Front left, too large an air gap or the sensor has been forced out by exciter ring.
Code 2-15 - Rear right, too large an air gap or the sensor has been forced out by exciter ring.
Code 3-0 to 3-9 - Open circuit in connection from ECU to solenoid valve in booster, or in ECU
Code 4-0 to 4-9 - Short circuit to earth in connection from ECU to solenoid valve in booster
Code 4-12 - Front right, wiring to sensor broken or sensor resistance too high.
Code 4-13 - Rear left, wiring to sensor broken or sensor resistance too high.
Code 4-14 - Front left, wiring to sensor broken or sensor resistance too high. Code 4-15 - Rear right, wiring to sensor broken or sensor resistance too high.
Code 5-0 to 5-9 - Short circuit to 12volt in connection from ECU to solenoid valve in booster, possible earth fault.Code 5-12 - Front right, intermittent fault with sensor or wiring
Code 5-13 - Rear left, intermittent fault with sensor or wiring
Code 5-14 - Front left, intermittent fault with sensor or wiring
Code 5-15 - Rear right, intermittent fault with sensor or wiring
Code 6-0 to 6-9 - Short circuit between two connection from ECU to solenoid valve in booster.
Code 6-12 - Front right, no output from sensor, sensor may have too large an air gap.
Code 6-13 - Rear left, no output from sensor, sensor may have too large an air gap.
Code 6-14 - Front left, no output from sensor, sensor may have too large an air gap.
Code 6-15 - Rear right, no output from sensor, sensor may have too large an air gap.





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Old 03-10-2008, 01:11 PM
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Has anyone performed this with aDiscovery II? One of the links I've found had the same procedure performed on a Range Rover. If it works on all Disco's, it will certainly be put to good use. Thanks for the post!

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I just used this successfully on my '95 to isolate which wheel sensor needed to be nudged in and that there was no voltage to the ABS solenoid valves (which was corrected by unplugging and plugging back in). Here is the link for the instructions I followed. Looks like it's a black and black/pink wire to jump.

http://flrc.erovers.com/2007/10/14/t...-disco-1s.aspx


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