I'm always giving misfire advice. Need misfire advice
#41
Right, that's what I was talking about. Stuff was taking 4-5 days to get to me for a couple weeks. At first it was annoying, but on a couple items it actually cause me problems and I ended up returning them and getting them to pay return shipping. I also mentioned that it has been an issue for a couple weeks. They added a note to my account, and it hasn't been a problem since.
I pulled the heads from old reliable and the cylinders were BLACK. I could chop that stuff off and grill steaks over it. No head gasket leak there. Running way rich. In truth I just gave up on that engine and its issues months ago. So I cleaned everything with gas and now I smell like Goober on the Andy Griffith show.
I guess tomorrow I will swap the heads and relocate the coils. First thing, I am going to recheck the compression on every cylinder so I have a baseline, then disconnect the MAF and O2s and see what happens. If nothing good happens I'll swap the heads even though I'm not sure why since the compression figures are high.
I checked the flex plate, though just for a moment because I kept thinking the cats are going to explode with so much gas in them. I couldn't see any wobble. I have another y pipe and yet another one that lacks cats if it comes down to it.
My injectors spent all of about five minutes, at most, out of their spots in the fuel rail and lower intake. I can't imagine that they would have developed an issue. Should I try harder to imagine it?
I'm also going to look back over all of the posts here. But please, if anyone has a suggestion... tomorrow is the day that I burn gaskets.
Last edited by Charlie_V; 04-22-2016 at 11:06 PM.
#43
#44
So I see nothing wrong with 4 and 6. I got new coils and am going to just put it all back together with a different set of heads.
On the coil relocate I did pull the coil connectors and wire from my old harness. Then I opened the new harness. I find the colored wires easily but the shielded wires are spooking me... There are about 6 identical shielded wires. I looked at this before I took the heads off so I have easier access now but my thought at the time was that there was a high probability of me cutting the wrong shielded wires. That's out.
Tomorrow, in the light and without the heads in. I may just pull the coil connectors and their wires back to toward the passenger side, meaning taking the loom apart. It sounds harder than it would be, unless the wires cross other wires. The whole thing (loom and wire bundles) are held together with electrical tape. I'll shoot some pictures tomorrow. Maybe everyone already knows this stuff but I've never looked inside the main harness.
Fingers crossed.
On the coil relocate I did pull the coil connectors and wire from my old harness. Then I opened the new harness. I find the colored wires easily but the shielded wires are spooking me... There are about 6 identical shielded wires. I looked at this before I took the heads off so I have easier access now but my thought at the time was that there was a high probability of me cutting the wrong shielded wires. That's out.
Tomorrow, in the light and without the heads in. I may just pull the coil connectors and their wires back to toward the passenger side, meaning taking the loom apart. It sounds harder than it would be, unless the wires cross other wires. The whole thing (loom and wire bundles) are held together with electrical tape. I'll shoot some pictures tomorrow. Maybe everyone already knows this stuff but I've never looked inside the main harness.
Fingers crossed.
Last edited by Charlie_V; 04-23-2016 at 09:42 PM.
#45
So I see nothing wrong with 4 and 6. I got new coils and am going to just put it all back together with a different set of heads.
On the coil relocate I did pull the coil connectors and wire from my old harness. Then I opened the new harness. I find the colored wires easily but the shielded wires are spooking me... There are about 6 identical shielded wires. I looked at this before I took the heads off so I have easier access now but my thought at the time was that there was a high probability of me cutting the wrong shielded wires. That's out.
Tomorrow, in the light and without the heads in. I may just pull the coil connectors and their wires back to toward the passenger side, meaning taking the loom apart. It sounds harder than it would be, unless the wires cross other wires. The whole thing (loom and wire bundles) are held together with electrical tape. I'll shoot some pictures tomorrow. Maybe everyone already knows this stuff but I've never looked inside the main harness.
Fingers crossed.
On the coil relocate I did pull the coil connectors and wire from my old harness. Then I opened the new harness. I find the colored wires easily but the shielded wires are spooking me... There are about 6 identical shielded wires. I looked at this before I took the heads off so I have easier access now but my thought at the time was that there was a high probability of me cutting the wrong shielded wires. That's out.
Tomorrow, in the light and without the heads in. I may just pull the coil connectors and their wires back to toward the passenger side, meaning taking the loom apart. It sounds harder than it would be, unless the wires cross other wires. The whole thing (loom and wire bundles) are held together with electrical tape. I'll shoot some pictures tomorrow. Maybe everyone already knows this stuff but I've never looked inside the main harness.
Fingers crossed.
#46
Just to bring this to a conclusion. I am going to start a coil relocation thread. I couldn't upload pictures from my phone but I will try with a laptop.
After swapping the heads all is well except for a strange knock that sounds like it is coming from the middle of the engine, back. I bet my rod bearing took a hit from that bolt. The bolt mystery deepens because if you look at my pictures, it did not strike that many times. The engine has been installed, pulled, reinstalled, and run both times, so I would think I'd see more strikes. Anyway, it now runs like butter except for that sound. My plan is to pull the oil pan and inspect the #7 rod and bearing and replace whatever needs to be replaced from underneath. I just need to find a freaking single pair of .010 oversized rod bearings, and possibly a piston/rod. I hope I don't need the latter because I would have to pull the heads again and that would drive me insane.
Thanks for the many contributions to this thread! I think it is safe to say that if your intake looks WAY too clean on certain tubes and you have a misfire and rough running, and gas in the oil, then you have a bolt in the piston. Kidding. Then you have a stuck intake valve.
The inestimable Abran is doing some swapping with me and I will have a new piston and oversize rod bearings sometime this week.
I should also add that a VERY short run time with a severe misfire watered my gas BIG TIME. Anyone driving around with a flashing SES or long term misfire problem should keep that in mind. My oil was like water, and the truck never even left the driveway. I'd say 4 minutes run time.
Best,
Charlie V
After swapping the heads all is well except for a strange knock that sounds like it is coming from the middle of the engine, back. I bet my rod bearing took a hit from that bolt. The bolt mystery deepens because if you look at my pictures, it did not strike that many times. The engine has been installed, pulled, reinstalled, and run both times, so I would think I'd see more strikes. Anyway, it now runs like butter except for that sound. My plan is to pull the oil pan and inspect the #7 rod and bearing and replace whatever needs to be replaced from underneath. I just need to find a freaking single pair of .010 oversized rod bearings, and possibly a piston/rod. I hope I don't need the latter because I would have to pull the heads again and that would drive me insane.
Thanks for the many contributions to this thread! I think it is safe to say that if your intake looks WAY too clean on certain tubes and you have a misfire and rough running, and gas in the oil, then you have a bolt in the piston. Kidding. Then you have a stuck intake valve.
The inestimable Abran is doing some swapping with me and I will have a new piston and oversize rod bearings sometime this week.
I should also add that a VERY short run time with a severe misfire watered my gas BIG TIME. Anyone driving around with a flashing SES or long term misfire problem should keep that in mind. My oil was like water, and the truck never even left the driveway. I'd say 4 minutes run time.
Best,
Charlie V
Last edited by Charlie_V; 04-25-2016 at 02:26 PM.
#47
It ain't over til it's over.
I swapped the bearings on the 7 conrod and it got slot quieter. But it isn't quiet. So in the awesome rain I am going to change the rest of the bearings. I mean conrod and main. At least it isn't raining under the rover.
I finally got a dealer account at the parts store. Took half off the box on my brake cleaner.
My theory is that 7 got sloppy because of the bolt and the new bearings improve the slop, but the slop must extend to some other bearings too. I'm not willing to consider hat it could be the crank itself. I watched some videos of horrific bearing damage on YouTube today, so it could be alot worse.
Also today I say armyrover discuss his new 99 expedition tow boat, and that reminded me that I had the exact same vehicle. In 2000 I took it in for warranty work and the DEALERSHIP dropped a bolt in the intake, resulting in me getting a free, brand new engine. So thanks armyrover; that recollection makes me feel better.
I'll report results.
I swapped the bearings on the 7 conrod and it got slot quieter. But it isn't quiet. So in the awesome rain I am going to change the rest of the bearings. I mean conrod and main. At least it isn't raining under the rover.
I finally got a dealer account at the parts store. Took half off the box on my brake cleaner.
My theory is that 7 got sloppy because of the bolt and the new bearings improve the slop, but the slop must extend to some other bearings too. I'm not willing to consider hat it could be the crank itself. I watched some videos of horrific bearing damage on YouTube today, so it could be alot worse.
Also today I say armyrover discuss his new 99 expedition tow boat, and that reminded me that I had the exact same vehicle. In 2000 I took it in for warranty work and the DEALERSHIP dropped a bolt in the intake, resulting in me getting a free, brand new engine. So thanks armyrover; that recollection makes me feel better.
I'll report results.
#49
It ain't over til it's over.
I swapped the bearings on the 7 conrod and it got slot quieter. But it isn't quiet. So in the awesome rain I am going to change the rest of the bearings. I mean conrod and main. At least it isn't raining under the rover.
I finally got a dealer account at the parts store. Took half off the box on my brake cleaner.
My theory is that 7 got sloppy because of the bolt and the new bearings improve the slop, but the slop must extend to some other bearings too. I'm not willing to consider hat it could be the crank itself. I watched some videos of horrific bearing damage on YouTube today, so it could be alot worse.
Also today I say armyrover discuss his new 99 expedition tow boat, and that reminded me that I had the exact same vehicle. In 2000 I took it in for warranty work and the DEALERSHIP dropped a bolt in the intake, resulting in me getting a free, brand new engine. So thanks armyrover; that recollection makes me feel better.
I'll report results.
I swapped the bearings on the 7 conrod and it got slot quieter. But it isn't quiet. So in the awesome rain I am going to change the rest of the bearings. I mean conrod and main. At least it isn't raining under the rover.
I finally got a dealer account at the parts store. Took half off the box on my brake cleaner.
My theory is that 7 got sloppy because of the bolt and the new bearings improve the slop, but the slop must extend to some other bearings too. I'm not willing to consider hat it could be the crank itself. I watched some videos of horrific bearing damage on YouTube today, so it could be alot worse.
Also today I say armyrover discuss his new 99 expedition tow boat, and that reminded me that I had the exact same vehicle. In 2000 I took it in for warranty work and the DEALERSHIP dropped a bolt in the intake, resulting in me getting a free, brand new engine. So thanks armyrover; that recollection makes me feel better.
I'll report results.
You can buy an engine in my state for less than $200 at the upullits...I often wonder why people do all this engine shop/rebuild on something that isn't worth it.
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