*Before buying aftermarket wheels*
 

Just wanted to throw this out there since I'm in the business and have talked to a couple wheel manufacturers about this, and did some measurements for one. On the 110 P400 I have there is a large anti-vibration thingadoohickey that sticks out from spindle toward the barrel of the rim. I did a few test fits and this MotoMetal MO970 in 20x9 +18m did not clear this piece. I'm guessing quite a few 20s and especially ones with a higher offset are going to rub on this also. Just wanted everyone to be aware. The RedBourne Morland and Alston wheels do clear with a little room. I do believe it is removable?? But not positive since I didn't really mess with it. I'd like to keep it if LR thinks it needs to be there. Here are some pics. If getting wheels you may bring it up with the company your buying from and make sure they have tested/measured for clearance.
Adam.
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Doohickey
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1/2 inch or so clearance
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MO970 rub
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Thank you for the great info

Would getting the correct offset eliminate the concern? I believe the offset on the rims are 45

from the pictures it doesn't have to do too much with offset. Its more about the inner barrel clearance. But ideally you would want a 20-25 offset

Hi Guys,

Thanks for posting the information on what every this harmonic dampener thing is.

So my question is: does anyone know how to reach Redbourne so we can find out if any of the other wheels they make will fit the new Defender?

As a side note, I'm going to go see if I can find out exactly what that appendage does on the front of the control arm.

Rob

Hi Guys,

I did confirm that the part is used to curb a certain amount of vibration transmitted to the rest of the car from the front suspension. No word on what it means in real life if we take it off.

Trying to find a way to reach Redbourne Wheels that are made by TSW wheels. I have had TSW wheels before, but not on any of my Land Rovers. Most of the Redbourne wheels they offer are the correct bolt patter and hub centric to the Land Rovers. So short of me ordering a tester, I want to see if they have test fit any other wheels on the Defender.

Rob

Tuff Ant is making 18" for the P400. You have to do a caliper switch in the back but the front works fine.

That's exciting! Thanks for the info.

Rob

Its official, Lucky 8 offroad was able to put 18" rims with 35 on the New Defender 2020. They will be updating how they accomplished it besides the caliper swap. It looks like they had to tweak some of the body paneling to make it happen.

They did and it looks fantastic

Anyone try Compomotive 18" Wheels Yet PD1880 / PD1881
 

I have the Compomotive 18" wheels (PD1880) on my LR4, interested to see if anyone has tried these wheels on the new Defender. They were specifically designed to allow LR4's to run 18" rims and I'm wondering if they have sufficient clearance. No info on the Compomotive site yet. Thanks!

https://www.comp.co.uk/products/prod...=pd1881-30-229

Next question...anybody know if 19" & 20" LR4 wheels fit the new Defender. I imagine the bolt pattern is the same, but what is the offset on 19" and 20" original equipment Defender wheels?

Having owned an LR3 and now two LR4s with extra sets of winter tires I have accumulated far too many sets of LR4 wheels.

Nope, sorry. They don't fit on a P400. Maybe with extra thick spacers they might, but Lucky 8 tested them first, and ended up not recommending that setup after posting a video that got me excited for a second. Apparently there were problems with the spacers.

I am not crazy about the rear caliper swap (apparently with smaller calipers from a Disco 5) required with the 18" Tuffant wheels, either. Brakes on the P400 are great as they are, downsizing may not be such a great idea. Not to mention potential factory warranty issues down the road.

Umberto

I think powerfuluk put up something on YouTube about wheel spacing

Hi Umberto, nice to see you here!

I figured out that the offset was different on the 19" wheels...53 on the LR4 and 42 on the Defender. I guess that's why on the Land Rover website you can order an extra set of wheels when you build your Defender. Somehow rolling $3800 of wheels into the total cost isn't as painful as buying the wheels separately.

Did anyone get the Off-road pack and if so what tires did you get? I was speaking with my dealership and they are telling me that I am getting Wrangler Adventure A/T? Seeing if people received the same thing.

Yup, that's what comes with the off-road pack, regardless of rims size - 18, 19 or 20" - you get 5 ea GY Wrangler All Terrain Adventure sized 255/70, 65 or 60, respectively. They are not very aggressive A/Ts, good enough for milder off-road terrains, offering little rolling resistance, a high "H" speed index and very quiet on pavement - I can't hear mine. They are a good compromise between an all-season and all-terrain tire, but I wouldn't take them rock crawling as those sidewalls look quite "tender", and like most A/Ts they are probably not very good in mud or snow (they are M+S rated at least.)

There is a step-up, more aggressive dealer-installed option (GY Wrangler Duratracs - same sizes as the standard off-road tires), but they are quite expensive through a dealer and you may be better off buying them from a regular tire shop. If you have 18 or 20" rims, there are better choices from other tire manufacturers, in my opinion. You should even be able to upsize a little without lifts or rubbing issues. If you have 19", you have no other choices but those two Goodyears currently.

Thank you, looks like I will be buying a separate set of rims and M/T. I live in PacNW where it is muddy 8 months of the year. I'm thinking that during our winter months where our mountains are closed due to snow, I will run the A/T. Then come spring when things open up, I will switch to Maxxis Razr M/T. I have 18" as I have a P300 coming next month. I will probably just keep it at 32 since I will not be getting to crazy on rock ledges.

My dealer here in CO also confirmed my build will be coming with Wrangler Adventure A/T upon delivery in Feb 2021

Anyone have any ideas why the goodyear wrangler AT tires are so much less expensive than other AT name brand tires?... almost 100 dollars cheaper per tire than bfg KO2s and the Nitto grappler stuff. For me it came down to bfg and nitto for my spare offroad wheelset... ended up going USA over Japanese... and I've had great wear and grip with bfg at and mt in the past... the wranglers were off the table due to being so much less expensive... i assume there is a reason but I didn't research the goodyears.

TexasLandmark:

I noted the Wrangler A/T have a marked lower weight carrying capacity than the Pirelli and Michelin tires I have used on my LR4, as well as the new Goodyear Duratrac tires. The Defender with with the off-road pack comes standard with the Wrangler A/T Adventure which comes with a hefty 2535 lbs carrying capacity.

I am about to buy new 19" tires for the LR4, as well as picking up the new Defender with Goodyear's, so the topic is right in front of me presently.

I have not yet looked at the BFGs or Nittos.... will do so -- but maybe they do not come in 19"?

Neither Nitto, nor BFG (nor anyone else other than Goodyear, AFAIK) currently makes a 19" A/T tire in a size suitable for the Defender. The stock 255/65R19 Adventure has an XL load index of 2600 lbs, which is more than adequate for the Defender (remember it is quite a bit lighter than your LR4 to begin with.) The optional Wrangler Duratracs have the same L.I. as the Adventures, but a much lower speed rating of Q (99 mph), which may become a liability if you like to go real fast down the highway - it's easy to exceed 100 mph with these cars. Like I said, there are better options than the Duratracs in my opinion, but not in 19" size unfortunately. If the Defender is successful, Nitto, BFG, or another manufacturer may eventually decide to add that size, fingers crossed.

Gotcha... I'm from the old world of 35x12.5r15s... my spare wheelset now is 275/55r20s on the discoV. I avoided 19s on purpose and didn't want to do a caliper swap to get 18s... just kinda sucked it up and went with extra 20s and onboard air.

When using the Defender "build" feature on the LR website, I noticed the extra charge of about $350 for off-road tires. The odd thing is that if you look at the tire prices on Tire Rack, the GY Adventure AT tires cost about $400 less than the Michelin or Pirelli tires that come as standard equipment on the Defender. Seems odd.

The pirellis that came on my disco have an LR stamp and were made specifically to hand over to rover... im sure there is a sweetheart deal... i also believe the wheels and tires were both made in Italy... so importing and taxes and shipping and what not probably factors in as well... but if I was at discount tire, I would laugh if they wanted that much more for goodyears over pirellis or michelins.

This is SO frustrating. The 19” wheels look awesome, but I won’t buy one with them knowing how limited my tire options are.

I just took a good look at my 110 tonight. Happy to say I don't have that hockey puck thingie hanging inside the front wheels. Therefore, my guess is, whatever it is, you don't need it and can safely remove it if fitting a wheel is an issue because of it. My 110 was manufactured 07/01/20, and perhaps they applied that mod in your photos to early production, then they determined the part was not needed? Or perhaps they only apply it to cars fitted with 20" wheels, which doesn't make much sense? I ordered my car with 19" wheels, and I doubt even those factory wheels would fit with that chunky piece of metal installed.

I took some photos in a dark garage and without removing the wheel, so the photos kind of suck as you can barely see the "mount" section slightly sticking out through the spokes, but whatever that piece of metal is, it's definitely not attached to my car's wheel hub. I have a P400, of course.

Regardless, I believe the big issue is rear caliper clearance (like many with the P400 I am looking at getting 18" wheels one day soon, if possible), not the front. The guys at Lucky 8 have swapped the rear calipers with smaller ones from a Discovery 5 on the rear axle to fit their aftermarket 18s, and said nothing about fitting problems on the front. So, their own Defender was probably delivered without those pucks as well.

Umberto

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I need a favor from anyone with Defender 20" wheels...if you are rotating the tires or installing winter wheels or waxing under the spare, can you please let me know the offset number that is stamped on the inside of the wheel? Probably has "ET" before or after the number. I can't find it published anywhere. I'm curious how it compares to the offset on the 20" LR4 wheels. I did find the Defender 19" wheel offset published and 19" LR4 wheels won't fit.

Factory wheels offset is +41.5 across the range of sizes and styles: 18, 19, 20, 22", alloy or steel.

Thank you so much Umberto! So no reason to keep the 20" wheels (+53 offset) that came with my LR4.

Still looking at aftermarket wheels, and this thread is still relevant. I see that only two Redbourne wheels are approved for the Defender, and they are always sold out. I would like to put the Hercules wheel on, but the backspacing may be a deal breaker.

Anyone have a Redbourne wheel other than the Ashton or Morland?

www.redbournewheels.com

Rob

its about demand. Vast majority want quiet comfortable tires so they do an upcharge for the better tires regardless of actual cost. All wheels probably mounted with standard and then need mount and balance for offroad.

Given the paucity of after market wheels with the right offset, I gave up and snagged some take off oem Defender wheels at a reasonable price on eBay to serve as winter wheels. There should be a growing supply of take-off wheels coming up on eBay as more Defenders get sold.

which D5 calipers? I don't remember which D5 has the smaller calipers in the rear but it's something very specific... like non tow SE diesel or something... and the rest are too big

Thank you Tartan! I just bought a set of 20" OEM Defender take-off wheels on eBay. Now if Nokian would just hurry up and make a winter tire in the Defender's 20" size.

Yes, Nokian’s would be nice. If they don’t come out with one soon, I’ll have to go for either the Pirelli or Conti winters as those are the only choices. Can’t decide which as reviews are all over the place per usual.

OEM SILVER 20” power coated black by dealership.
 

This is a great option too if you grab a Defender and hate the silver. Or there are 2 or 3 sets of the silver 3-star on EBay right now. The dealer hated the silver and sent out to wheel place to powder coat jet black. They’re beautiful.
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Just put 20x9 with a 35mm offset Fuel Assault wheels on my wife's a couple weeks ago. Fit no problem and they are hub centric to the car. I don't know if she has that anti vibration thing or not, but the wheels work perfect and look so good.

https://cimg8.ibsrv.net/gimg/landrov...b73e88404d.jpg
Hi guys,

Finally after ordering in July my Defender came in.

I get to pick it up on Monday, but wanted to share a picture that I got on Friday night. Super excited to finally have it.

Rob

Rob-
what’s the wheel/tire combo? Looks great!
( I’m looking at an Eiger but don’t like the factory 20s that are one there)