Buy 23.5 or wait ??? Help
#11
06-01-2023, 09:10 AM
In my 1 year with the Defender X and now my V8, I have loved and had no issues with the digital dash or anything else for that matter. I do drive through tunnels and have not had that dimming or unreadability that someone posted about. They have both been amazing.
Why don't you look at slightly used, seems to be many for sale on autotrader.
Why don't you look at slightly used, seems to be many for sale on autotrader.
#12
06-01-2023, 10:50 AM
1) I didn't live with it so I cannot comment on the dash dimming comments above.
2) While the full digital is undoubtably cooler/more high tech. I think there is something to be said about the silver/brushed aluminum look of the 'analog' dials. They give it a retro vibe and frankly I dig the look more than digital gauges from a purely aesthetic point of view. Point is I am with you on wanting the tech (esp since theres no discount for having the smaller display) but you really can't go wrong with either.
3) As far as functionality, I didn't notice that the full screen display really offered more functionality than the analog, except for the ability to configure multiple things at once on the screen. That said what you could get on the center screen of the analog display is the same content (albeit not simultaneously) as is on the full screen (as far as I could tell, spending 10-15 min in a defender with the full gauges).
4) The coolest looking feature for me of the full digital is the full map view, where the whole gauge cluster is taken over by the navi screen maps. The thing here is that it only works if you're using the built in navigation from JLR. I dont know about you but I never use it. I'm always using android auto, or my wife uses apple car play for navigation through Waze. In this case, the full map w/navigation cannot be used for turn by turn directions. You could arguably still view the map, but would still use the center screen for turn by turn directions.
In the end in a perfect world I would have loved to have had the full gauges. But the bottom line (my 2 cents anyway) is that you're not really giving anything up other than the cool factor of the full display. And what you lose in that regard, you gain with the retro feel of the half analog half digital display. Long story short, dont let it the lack of the feature keep ya from a particular unit.
The loss of the nicer stereo is a MUCH bigger, noticeable downgrade if the model you're looking at would indeed loose the meridian surround in 2024, but has it in 2023.5.
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dshark1 (06-01-2023)
#13
06-01-2023, 11:14 AM
Pro Wrench
Stereo is critical path looking at the 2024 model breakdowns, in my humble opinion.
"Fully kitted out 2024 Defender 110 X?"
"Yes sir, please, I'll take one sir!"
"That will be $103K"
"OK I will send the wire transfer"
"Enjoy your base stereo, sucker!"
Absolutely not. This makes me think the value equation has gotten totally out of whack, I wouldn't pull the trigger on a 2024.
Price has gone up, content has gone down.
"Fully kitted out 2024 Defender 110 X?"
"Yes sir, please, I'll take one sir!"
"That will be $103K"
"OK I will send the wire transfer"
"Enjoy your base stereo, sucker!"
Absolutely not. This makes me think the value equation has gotten totally out of whack, I wouldn't pull the trigger on a 2024.
Price has gone up, content has gone down.
#14
06-01-2023, 01:17 PM
Stereo is critical path looking at the 2024 model breakdowns, in my humble opinion.
"Fully kitted out 2024 Defender 110 X?"
"Yes sir, please, I'll take one sir!"
"That will be $103K"
"OK I will send the wire transfer"
"Enjoy your base stereo, sucker!"
Absolutely not. This makes me think the value equation has gotten totally out of whack, I wouldn't pull the trigger on a 2024.
Price has gone up, content has gone down.
"Fully kitted out 2024 Defender 110 X?"
"Yes sir, please, I'll take one sir!"
"That will be $103K"
"OK I will send the wire transfer"
"Enjoy your base stereo, sucker!"
Absolutely not. This makes me think the value equation has gotten totally out of whack, I wouldn't pull the trigger on a 2024.
Price has gone up, content has gone down.
Either way I agree and acted accordingly. Once I knew the stereo was gone in my model I was looking at, there was nothing left to decide. 2023.5 or bust. Just became a matter of finding the closest I could to what I was looking for. Making my peace with what its lacking or walking away. Full digital guages, I could live without. Clearsight rear view, less happy about (but I understand its gone from 2024 as well anyway, so waiting there had no benefit). I would have walked without adaptive cruise control. And since I found one with it. I pounced.
That said, as I understand it, JLR has done this every year since the Defender has come out. Price increases (or at least no decreases) and just less content year after year. may be the first vehicle I've ever seen do this. Most manufacturers add stuff to keep the hype up/relevant to buy and upgrade to the newest model years. For example, soft close rear door is no longer available but I understand it was for the first few years.
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#15
06-01-2023, 01:43 PM
Recovery Vehicle
2023 has 400w sound despite ordering the 700w system, no USB ports in back, no clear view rearview mirror, no sunglass holder, no lights in the door sills, some cheaper dashboard materials, no soft headrests and probably more things I have not noticed yet.
#16
06-01-2023, 01:48 PM
Totally agree. I like our 2021 X-Dynamic better than our 2023 X-Dynamic for just that reason.
2023 has 400w sound despite ordering the 700w system, no USB ports in back, no clear view rearview mirror, no sunglass holder, no lights in the door sills, some cheaper dashboard materials, no soft headrests and probably more things I have not noticed yet.
2023 has 400w sound despite ordering the 700w system, no USB ports in back, no clear view rearview mirror, no sunglass holder, no lights in the door sills, some cheaper dashboard materials, no soft headrests and probably more things I have not noticed yet.
#17
06-01-2023, 02:30 PM
I was where you were on this. The digital display has been coming on more and more even 23.5s But for me I couldn't find one that had it AND adaptive cruise control. And it came down to choosing between adaptive or the digital display. For what its worth here are my two cents after sitting in both and playing with both.
1) I didn't live with it so I cannot comment on the dash dimming comments above.
2) While the full digital is undoubtably cooler/more high tech. I think there is something to be said about the silver/brushed aluminum look of the 'analog' dials. They give it a retro vibe and frankly I dig the look more than digital gauges from a purely aesthetic point of view. Point is I am with you on wanting the tech (esp since theres no discount for having the smaller display) but you really can't go wrong with either.
3) As far as functionality, I didn't notice that the full screen display really offered more functionality than the analog, except for the ability to configure multiple things at once on the screen. That said what you could get on the center screen of the analog display is the same content (albeit not simultaneously) as is on the full screen (as far as I could tell, spending 10-15 min in a defender with the full gauges).
4) The coolest looking feature for me of the full digital is the full map view, where the whole gauge cluster is taken over by the navi screen maps. The thing here is that it only works if you're using the built in navigation from JLR. I dont know about you but I never use it. I'm always using android auto, or my wife uses apple car play for navigation through Waze. In this case, the full map w/navigation cannot be used for turn by turn directions. You could arguably still view the map, but would still use the center screen for turn by turn directions.
In the end in a perfect world I would have loved to have had the full gauges. But the bottom line (my 2 cents anyway) is that you're not really giving anything up other than the cool factor of the full display. And what you lose in that regard, you gain with the retro feel of the half analog half digital display. Long story short, dont let it the lack of the feature keep ya from a particular unit.
The loss of the nicer stereo is a MUCH bigger, noticeable downgrade if the model you're looking at would indeed loose the meridian surround in 2024, but has it in 2023.5.
1) I didn't live with it so I cannot comment on the dash dimming comments above.
2) While the full digital is undoubtably cooler/more high tech. I think there is something to be said about the silver/brushed aluminum look of the 'analog' dials. They give it a retro vibe and frankly I dig the look more than digital gauges from a purely aesthetic point of view. Point is I am with you on wanting the tech (esp since theres no discount for having the smaller display) but you really can't go wrong with either.
3) As far as functionality, I didn't notice that the full screen display really offered more functionality than the analog, except for the ability to configure multiple things at once on the screen. That said what you could get on the center screen of the analog display is the same content (albeit not simultaneously) as is on the full screen (as far as I could tell, spending 10-15 min in a defender with the full gauges).
4) The coolest looking feature for me of the full digital is the full map view, where the whole gauge cluster is taken over by the navi screen maps. The thing here is that it only works if you're using the built in navigation from JLR. I dont know about you but I never use it. I'm always using android auto, or my wife uses apple car play for navigation through Waze. In this case, the full map w/navigation cannot be used for turn by turn directions. You could arguably still view the map, but would still use the center screen for turn by turn directions.
In the end in a perfect world I would have loved to have had the full gauges. But the bottom line (my 2 cents anyway) is that you're not really giving anything up other than the cool factor of the full display. And what you lose in that regard, you gain with the retro feel of the half analog half digital display. Long story short, dont let it the lack of the feature keep ya from a particular unit.
The loss of the nicer stereo is a MUCH bigger, noticeable downgrade if the model you're looking at would indeed loose the meridian surround in 2024, but has it in 2023.5.
#18
06-01-2023, 02:33 PM
Stereo is critical path looking at the 2024 model breakdowns, in my humble opinion.
"Fully kitted out 2024 Defender 110 X?"
"Yes sir, please, I'll take one sir!"
"That will be $103K"
"OK I will send the wire transfer"
"Enjoy your base stereo, sucker!"
Absolutely not. This makes me think the value equation has gotten totally out of whack, I wouldn't pull the trigger on a 2024.
Price has gone up, content has gone down.
"Fully kitted out 2024 Defender 110 X?"
"Yes sir, please, I'll take one sir!"
"That will be $103K"
"OK I will send the wire transfer"
"Enjoy your base stereo, sucker!"
Absolutely not. This makes me think the value equation has gotten totally out of whack, I wouldn't pull the trigger on a 2024.
Price has gone up, content has gone down.
I suspect, most 24 buyers will not even know that the prior model year had a much better sound system unless they buy a V8 model (only models to have the 700W for 2024) or did their homework and don't care. Perhaps a LR sales strategy. "Hey look, no price change from last years model". Conveniently leaving out the downgrades.
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#19
06-01-2023, 02:42 PM
So here is my dilemma,
Sold my Jeep just recently, with the intentions to order & buy a 24”Defender. So here I am , 2 weeks later sharing a vehicle with the wife.
told by my local dealer that my 24” would come sometime September if lucky? I don’t think I can wait it out! So after spending much time calling around , Found a Defender that is almost exact to my build besides exterior color. I was wanting Hakuba silver, this is Fuji white. What’s everyone’s opinion to purchase a 23.5 now or wait months for “24? The Defender fever is real! Just curious of your thoughts…..
Sold my Jeep just recently, with the intentions to order & buy a 24”Defender. So here I am , 2 weeks later sharing a vehicle with the wife.
told by my local dealer that my 24” would come sometime September if lucky? I don’t think I can wait it out! So after spending much time calling around , Found a Defender that is almost exact to my build besides exterior color. I was wanting Hakuba silver, this is Fuji white. What’s everyone’s opinion to purchase a 23.5 now or wait months for “24? The Defender fever is real! Just curious of your thoughts…..
#20
06-02-2023, 07:13 AM
I was where you were on this. The digital display has been coming on more and more even 23.5s But for me I couldn't find one that had it AND adaptive cruise control. And it came down to choosing between adaptive or the digital display. For what its worth here are my two cents after sitting in both and playing with both.
1) I didn't live with it so I cannot comment on the dash dimming comments above.
2) While the full digital is undoubtably cooler/more high tech. I think there is something to be said about the silver/brushed aluminum look of the 'analog' dials. They give it a retro vibe and frankly I dig the look more than digital gauges from a purely aesthetic point of view. Point is I am with you on wanting the tech (esp since theres no discount for having the smaller display) but you really can't go wrong with either.
3) As far as functionality, I didn't notice that the full screen display really offered more functionality than the analog, except for the ability to configure multiple things at once on the screen. That said what you could get on the center screen of the analog display is the same content (albeit not simultaneously) as is on the full screen (as far as I could tell, spending 10-15 min in a defender with the full gauges).
4) The coolest looking feature for me of the full digital is the full map view, where the whole gauge cluster is taken over by the navi screen maps. The thing here is that it only works if you're using the built in navigation from JLR. I dont know about you but I never use it. I'm always using android auto, or my wife uses apple car play for navigation through Waze. In this case, the full map w/navigation cannot be used for turn by turn directions. You could arguably still view the map, but would still use the center screen for turn by turn directions.
In the end in a perfect world I would have loved to have had the full gauges. But the bottom line (my 2 cents anyway) is that you're not really giving anything up other than the cool factor of the full display. And what you lose in that regard, you gain with the retro feel of the half analog half digital display. Long story short, dont let it the lack of the feature keep ya from a particular unit.
The loss of the nicer stereo is a MUCH bigger, noticeable downgrade if the model you're looking at would indeed loose the meridian surround in 2024, but has it in 2023.5.
1) I didn't live with it so I cannot comment on the dash dimming comments above.
2) While the full digital is undoubtably cooler/more high tech. I think there is something to be said about the silver/brushed aluminum look of the 'analog' dials. They give it a retro vibe and frankly I dig the look more than digital gauges from a purely aesthetic point of view. Point is I am with you on wanting the tech (esp since theres no discount for having the smaller display) but you really can't go wrong with either.
3) As far as functionality, I didn't notice that the full screen display really offered more functionality than the analog, except for the ability to configure multiple things at once on the screen. That said what you could get on the center screen of the analog display is the same content (albeit not simultaneously) as is on the full screen (as far as I could tell, spending 10-15 min in a defender with the full gauges).
4) The coolest looking feature for me of the full digital is the full map view, where the whole gauge cluster is taken over by the navi screen maps. The thing here is that it only works if you're using the built in navigation from JLR. I dont know about you but I never use it. I'm always using android auto, or my wife uses apple car play for navigation through Waze. In this case, the full map w/navigation cannot be used for turn by turn directions. You could arguably still view the map, but would still use the center screen for turn by turn directions.
In the end in a perfect world I would have loved to have had the full gauges. But the bottom line (my 2 cents anyway) is that you're not really giving anything up other than the cool factor of the full display. And what you lose in that regard, you gain with the retro feel of the half analog half digital display. Long story short, dont let it the lack of the feature keep ya from a particular unit.
The loss of the nicer stereo is a MUCH bigger, noticeable downgrade if the model you're looking at would indeed loose the meridian surround in 2024, but has it in 2023.5.
I am always using Apple Maps vs a factory navigation. Great point , like u said , the cool factor would really be the only upside to this.
Only other thing is, buying a soon to be one year old , once the 24”s hit the streets. Depreciation concern? Also have the crazy thought of taking the 23.5 & then trading it once the 24” order comes in? That’s something I need to get out of my head, Real quick! Lol probably would take a bath on a deal like that, in such a short amount of time.
Last edited by dshark1; 06-02-2023 at 07:24 AM.