Originally Posted by Kev M

Yeah my points are that these things are filled with:

* Confirmation bias
* self-selecting bias
* Too high level or non-comparable "empirical data"

To be really worth anything.

Anytime you buy a complicated manufactured machine you run the risk of failures.

Yes, it is entirely possible this "data" shows that you are more likely to run into some problems with one brand than another.

But there's very little usable data that really tells us the chances that any one of us will experience expensive failures, or repeated failures, or be stranded etc.

There's a difference for sure, but statistically significant? We can't say, and the shorter the ownership (in years and miles) the less likely it is relevant.

I struggle to keep a vehicle more than 5-6 years, and my wife strives for 10.... to us that's about 100k or less then.

My personal anecdotes (besides a lifetime in the repair/service industry) include owning and having zero to very few problems with a number of brands that are considered problem children. I've also owned/observed some stellar brands that had way too many failures.

So YMMV - but like I said, I don't put much stock into the data, because the data isn't very useful. So I'm gonna just drive it and enjoy it like I have most everything I've owned. And if at some point it doesn't provide joy (or at least utility) it'll be gone.

Originally Posted by sblvro

ALL cars can reach 100k miles. So really reliability should be measured at 200k miles. Consumer reports long term doesn't even stretch up to 30k miles and people believe it. I remember umberto had a 200k L320 Range Rover Sport yet magazines aren't interested in that. So if you have a vehicle that reached 100k miles I'll be like ok but that is expected. 200k miles is the benchmark for reliability. Does all of everyone's selection reach 200k miles? I'm my past ownership, I have a 230k mile 1988 galant sigma that is still in my garage, a 2003 Honda Pilot EXLRES still good at 243,000 miles-still in my garage. A 2009 Cadillac Escalade hybrid that I traded when I bought my 2015 Escalade platinum. The 2009 had 195,000 miles when I traded it. Using carfax, it is still running at 265,000 miles! My 2015 has 278,000 miles currently. The rest of my stable are fairly new or are garage queens. 2020 110X, 2019 720s, 2013 L320 RRS HSE luxury at 17k miles and 2014 GLK 350 4matic at 60k miles.

Originally Posted by Drewes

Disagree about that being "the one thing." Yes, it looks a bit different. It's also a great drive that delights and surprises. They're much more nimble than they look - especially the 90 - and the P400 is obviously much faster than it needs to be. I haven't driven a P300, so can't speak on those.

Annnnd.. my local dealership has been great thus far. You must have really had a sour experience or just hate the brand. Unfortunate situations happen everywhere.

Originally Posted by D-Fens

Oh good, you're still here.

You need a hobby other than trolling the forum of a vehicle you don't own.