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@soulsea - I'm not inside of @_Allegedly 's head or anything, but I took it as just raw sarcasm and an attempt at humor. Or at least it got me to laugh! Not meaning to be insulting. What I meant was that I took it as just sarcasm about JLR's ability (inability?) to source many trim levels and build commitments. I, too, am skeptical about what JLR will or will not be able to ship. Both of you frequently come up with mad sources of intel so maybe there's something behind the statement. But, because he didn't.....
I had asked my sales guy at the beginning of this year when a Defender P400e was coming over here so I could put my name on a list or something.
There doesn't seem to be any immediate plans for offering it.
Sarcasm, cynicism, dust-dry humor. Probably. Mixed with reality.
Expect a rambling poorly thought-out mess of an explanation.
Had a great time at the Porsche Experience last weekend and more than once the instructors insisted, with conviction, "hybrid is the future". Okay, RAV4 Primes are crushing it. $2500 more for a 53% city mpg bump and a 42 mile real-world electric range. Who wouldn't?
LR isn't Toyota. Defender PHEV's are on a 12 month delay and the real PHEV demand seems to be in Europe and China. Why wouldn't they just keep sending what little they can build down that path of no resistance?
Would US buyers pay $15k more and plug in every night for a 20 mile real-world electric range? At $5/gallon, $15k covers about 60,000 miles of gas for my regular p400 and I don't have 881 lbs. of extra hybrid parts wearing out suspension, brakes, and tires. Does anyone want to add hybrid complexity to a vehicle that already seems a bit overly-teched... so they can maybe start saving some gas money only after the odo crosses 60k? Who keeps a LR that long anyway?
*These numbers are poorly sourced using the first thing Google gave me. Accuracy is questionable.
Last edited by _Allegedly; 03-08-2022 at 11:07 PM.
Sarcasm, cynicism, dust-dry humor. Probably. Mixed with reality.
Expect a rambling poorly thought-out mess of an explanation.
Had a great time at the Porsche Experience last weekend and more than once the instructors insisted, with conviction, "hybrid is the future". Okay, RAV4 Primes are crushing it. $2500 more for a 53% city mpg bump and a 42 mile real-world electric range. Who wouldn't?
LR isn't Toyota. Defender PHEV's are on a 12 month delay and the real PHEV demand seems to be in Europe and China. Why wouldn't they just keep sending what little they can build down that path of no resistance?
Would US buyers pay $15k more and plug in every night for a 20 mile real-world electric range? At $5/gallon, $15k covers about 60,000 miles of gas for my regular p400 and I don't have 881 lbs. of extra hybrid parts wearing out suspension, brakes, and tires. Does anyone want to add hybrid complexity to a vehicle that already seems a bit overly-teched... so they can maybe start saving some gas money only after the odo crosses 60k? Who keeps a LR that long anyway?
*These numbers are poorly sourced using the first thing Google gave me. Accuracy is questionable.
...And after having received the response from the sales guy, I had a moment of clarity. I then proceeded to have thoughts that mimicked the writings of Allegedly and reconsidered...lol
The new FFRR PHEV battery can get up to 70 miles all-electric range.
Definitely better but real-world is 50 mile range.
Current p400e pack is 19 kwh. New 38 kwh battery is large! That battery alone would weight between 550 and 800 lbs. depending on type. That 881 in extra hybrid weight now bumps another 275 to 400. We'd have a 6100 lb. Defender?
Start the thread now... "How can I fit 18's when my rotors are 16"?
03-08-2022, 08:43 PM
