Engine Swap Questions
#21
Only the heads are different between SAI and non-SAI engines. If you're swapping a short block, just keep the SAI heads.
The ECU from an SAI truck will throw codes if it doesn't see the SAI components and get valid signals from them. In addition, the VIN of the truck contains a marker that says whether or not the truck came with SAI from the factory. If you swap for a non-SAI ECU/BCU/cluster set, I believe that you will then present a different VIN from the one on the body plate. That may or may not be a problem, depending on what you want to do with the truck in the long term.
The ECU from an SAI truck will throw codes if it doesn't see the SAI components and get valid signals from them. In addition, the VIN of the truck contains a marker that says whether or not the truck came with SAI from the factory. If you swap for a non-SAI ECU/BCU/cluster set, I believe that you will then present a different VIN from the one on the body plate. That may or may not be a problem, depending on what you want to do with the truck in the long term.
And at that point I could do two things
rebuild the heads off the old one to use and swap them out down the road.
or get the ecu and bcu and cloister from a non sai 03-04 disco and swap them and I should be fine.
and oh yea save all the sai parts from the old engine
#22
I believe that it will run without the SAI, but it will throw a CEL and with that lit up, you won't be able to tell if anything else goes wrong.
Whether or not you "should be fine" if you swap the ECU, BCU, and cluster depends on your definition of "fine." There are a lot of other systems that could be set different between your truck and the donor vehicle (e.g. air shocks or coils, various accessories, etc.). You would need to get your hands on a Nanocom to make sure everything was set correctly for your truck. You (or a subsequent owner) might also run into trouble registering it or having it inspected if the VIN stored in the system is different from the VIN on the vehicle plates. Depends on how closely someone looks.
#23
I don't know what you mean. "Hook up to everything it can that's non-SAI" is basically "hook up everything that any engine would require." I already said that the only place any SAI components connect is to the heads. That's a total of four air injectors and four small bolts for the retaining brackets. Personally, I don't know why you wouldn't refurb the SAI heads if you're going to the trouble of doing a whole engine swap.
I believe that it will run without the SAI, but it will throw a CEL and with that lit up, you won't be able to tell if anything else goes wrong.
Whether or not you "should be fine" if you swap the ECU, BCU, and cluster depends on your definition of "fine." There are a lot of other systems that could be set different between your truck and the donor vehicle (e.g. air shocks or coils, various accessories, etc.). You would need to get your hands on a Nanocom to make sure everything was set correctly for your truck. You (or a subsequent owner) might also run into trouble registering it or having it inspected if the VIN stored in the system is different from the VIN on the vehicle plates. Depends on how closely someone looks.
I believe that it will run without the SAI, but it will throw a CEL and with that lit up, you won't be able to tell if anything else goes wrong.
Whether or not you "should be fine" if you swap the ECU, BCU, and cluster depends on your definition of "fine." There are a lot of other systems that could be set different between your truck and the donor vehicle (e.g. air shocks or coils, various accessories, etc.). You would need to get your hands on a Nanocom to make sure everything was set correctly for your truck. You (or a subsequent owner) might also run into trouble registering it or having it inspected if the VIN stored in the system is different from the VIN on the vehicle plates. Depends on how closely someone looks.
this is our daily driver so I have to minimize down time.
And then I will get the original heads done and do a head swap when things are easier for me.
all I need to do then is make sure the heads on the replacement engine are true also I plan on going with the arb head studs too.
and like I said earlier I am getting confused on this.
thanks mollusc
#24
you need an unlocked Non-SAI ECU. Willtillery@roverguy.com posted on dweb recently that he had an unlocked one.
as for a 4.6, don't do an 03-04 block. Get a 2000-2002 range rover 4.6 engine, as they received the best machined blocks and is a direct bolt in.
as for a 4.6, don't do an 03-04 block. Get a 2000-2002 range rover 4.6 engine, as they received the best machined blocks and is a direct bolt in.
#25
you need an unlocked Non-SAI ECU. Willtillery@roverguy.com posted on dweb recently that he had an unlocked one.
as for a 4.6, don't do an 03-04 block. Get a 2000-2002 range rover 4.6 engine, as they received the best machined blocks and is a direct bolt in.
as for a 4.6, don't do an 03-04 block. Get a 2000-2002 range rover 4.6 engine, as they received the best machined blocks and is a direct bolt in.
#26
Ok hoping someone might know this.
if a non sai engine is put in to engine with sai.
will it work??
I have read get a used cluster ecu bcu from a non sai 4.6 and swap them out too.
swap the heads and sai components to the none sai engine
install it and it will run but will pop codes like crazy due to sai missing?
too bad you can’t just put the electric parts back in and just plumb it with vacuum lines??
just trying to get a handle on this as I am getting confused
keith
if a non sai engine is put in to engine with sai.
will it work??
I have read get a used cluster ecu bcu from a non sai 4.6 and swap them out too.
swap the heads and sai components to the none sai engine
install it and it will run but will pop codes like crazy due to sai missing?
too bad you can’t just put the electric parts back in and just plumb it with vacuum lines??
just trying to get a handle on this as I am getting confused
keith
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