Stumped with braking vibration
#1
Stumped with braking vibration
I have a vibration that is linked to the wheel rotation RPM under braking.
Easy. Warped rotors. Only not so.
Normal driving along, nothing. Smooth sailing.
Every press of the brake has vibration through the pedal and steering wheel.
I was so convinced it was rotors, i very nearly ordered a set before checking it out.
I checked them by clamping clamps to the fixed parts, and having a bar just touch the rotor on the face, at the edge. I couldnt detect even 0.25mm out of true when spinning them.
Whats next? what could be feeding back like that? Drive shaft? Front diff?
Easy. Warped rotors. Only not so.
Normal driving along, nothing. Smooth sailing.
Every press of the brake has vibration through the pedal and steering wheel.
I was so convinced it was rotors, i very nearly ordered a set before checking it out.
I checked them by clamping clamps to the fixed parts, and having a bar just touch the rotor on the face, at the edge. I couldnt detect even 0.25mm out of true when spinning them.
Whats next? what could be feeding back like that? Drive shaft? Front diff?
#2
I have a vibration that is linked to the wheel rotation RPM under braking.
Easy. Warped rotors. Only not so.
Normal driving along, nothing. Smooth sailing.
Every press of the brake has vibration through the pedal and steering wheel.
I was so convinced it was rotors, i very nearly ordered a set before checking it out.
I checked them by clamping clamps to the fixed parts, and having a bar just touch the rotor on the face, at the edge. I couldnt detect even 0.25mm out of true when spinning them.
Whats next? what could be feeding back like that? Drive shaft? Front diff?
Easy. Warped rotors. Only not so.
Normal driving along, nothing. Smooth sailing.
Every press of the brake has vibration through the pedal and steering wheel.
I was so convinced it was rotors, i very nearly ordered a set before checking it out.
I checked them by clamping clamps to the fixed parts, and having a bar just touch the rotor on the face, at the edge. I couldnt detect even 0.25mm out of true when spinning them.
Whats next? what could be feeding back like that? Drive shaft? Front diff?
Alternatively it may be CV joints or top and bottom ball joints snatching under braking. Another possible is wheel bearings may be loose causing a brake snatching effect.
Do you have a magblock and dial gauge? and if so check the rotors on the worn areas whilst rotating them and see what run out you have.
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#3
I used a redneck version of a magblock and dial gauge. Two G clamps, with the handle of one of them just resting on the outside worn bit. I couldn't detect anything at all. The vibration feels like much more than a very small rotor warp.
Ooh, i like your idea of a seal leaking onto the rotor. This would create a slippery bit that would be a small amount of ineffective braking on each rotation. I can check that out quite easy.
Ooh, i like your idea of a seal leaking onto the rotor. This would create a slippery bit that would be a small amount of ineffective braking on each rotation. I can check that out quite easy.
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#6
I have the front end off the ground now, and cant spot anything amiss.
Drag link, 20, seems tight. Nothing wobbles other than what I would expect. There is flexibility in the drag link end ball joints, but only what I would expect to see to allow it to operate, nothing 'linear'.
The steering itself is solid from steering wheel to road wheel, no 'lag'. My Heep ZJ had about 4" of movement at the steering wheel before the car responded, was more like sailing than driving.
The only anomaly I see are the rubber inserts each end of the damper, 6, are cracked, but again, no linear movement which i can see would cause a wobble under braking.
Im back to square one.
Wobble under braking that is in time with the wheel rotation. Not rotors. Cant detect any grease on the rotors.
Can it be caliper related somehow?
Ive never changed the brake fluid, or bled them. One thing on my list of to-do's.
I'm open to offers or suggestions here. Labor day weekend road trip coming up and i'd rather know what it is and not have it fixed than not know..
Drag link, 20, seems tight. Nothing wobbles other than what I would expect. There is flexibility in the drag link end ball joints, but only what I would expect to see to allow it to operate, nothing 'linear'.
The steering itself is solid from steering wheel to road wheel, no 'lag'. My Heep ZJ had about 4" of movement at the steering wheel before the car responded, was more like sailing than driving.
The only anomaly I see are the rubber inserts each end of the damper, 6, are cracked, but again, no linear movement which i can see would cause a wobble under braking.
Im back to square one.
Wobble under braking that is in time with the wheel rotation. Not rotors. Cant detect any grease on the rotors.
Can it be caliper related somehow?
Ive never changed the brake fluid, or bled them. One thing on my list of to-do's.
I'm open to offers or suggestions here. Labor day weekend road trip coming up and i'd rather know what it is and not have it fixed than not know..
Last edited by cappedup; 09-01-2016 at 02:18 PM.
#7
#9
I scratched my head so much I just bought new rotors and changed them anyway, thinking the problem would present itself when things were in bits.
Should of thought to double check the back of the rotors in the first place. Stupid really.
I already swapped the guide pins and re lubed along with new Akebonos last year, so the pads are practically new.
Ah, your saying the slides are duff, which is why the rotors got damaged? Hopefully I'm all good now, with new pins, pads, rotors.
Bleeding is next, getting new fluid in there. But I'll wait til I've got more time. Never had any fun with brake fluid. But it certainly needs doing.
Cheers.
Should of thought to double check the back of the rotors in the first place. Stupid really.
I already swapped the guide pins and re lubed along with new Akebonos last year, so the pads are practically new.
Ah, your saying the slides are duff, which is why the rotors got damaged? Hopefully I'm all good now, with new pins, pads, rotors.
Bleeding is next, getting new fluid in there. But I'll wait til I've got more time. Never had any fun with brake fluid. But it certainly needs doing.
Cheers.
Last edited by cappedup; 09-14-2016 at 05:38 PM.
#10
I scratched my head so much I just bought new rotors and changed them anyway, thinking the problem would present itself when things were in bits.
Should of thought to double check the back of the rotors in the first place. Stupid really.
I already swapped the guide pins and re lubed along with new Akebonos last year, so the pads are practically new.
Ah, your saying the slides are duff, which is why the rotors got damaged? Hopefully I'm all good now, with new pins, pads, rotors.
Bleeding is next, getting new fluid in there. But I'll wait til I've got more time. Never had any fun with brake fluid. But it certainly needs doing.
Cheers.
Should of thought to double check the back of the rotors in the first place. Stupid really.
I already swapped the guide pins and re lubed along with new Akebonos last year, so the pads are practically new.
Ah, your saying the slides are duff, which is why the rotors got damaged? Hopefully I'm all good now, with new pins, pads, rotors.
Bleeding is next, getting new fluid in there. But I'll wait til I've got more time. Never had any fun with brake fluid. But it certainly needs doing.
Cheers.
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