So, this is a follow up to my previous thread about a tickling noise on the ABS module and a broken SAI hose.

I went the the Land Rover dealer today to see whats causing the tickling noise. The service consultant said you know, the mechanics charges $130 per hour just to diagnose the module. I said I wasn't aware of them telling me before the appointment.

Next they called the parts service guy to check the hose. He quoted me $313 for just a broken hose. I knew there was something fishy. I questioned him why $313 for a hose, apparently he quoted for the whole SAI pump. Then another LR mechanic came by and said to the parts person to look for the SAI hose. Then he came back and said the only way to change the broken hose is to change the whole SAI pump. So thats $313. And that is just for parts I believe. I that point, I steered away without questioning anything else. I just no longer trust these folks. I even told him that there are two clamps that secure the hose. Yeah, "change the whole pump"



Heres the picture of the hose. I will look around auto stores to see if I can find a similar one.

I just feel that customers are being taken advantage of. Yes, they are trying to make a living but this is ridiculous.

 

I hate the Stealership. They did the same to me when I had a coolant leak. Quoted me some ridiculous amount to replace the intake manifold gaskets. Turns out it was just a broken coolant line under the upper intake, but yeah, they wanted to "change all the gaskets"

 

I think...no, I know that in todays auto repair world they are not tought how to "fix" anything, they are taught to replace things.
Ask one of these guys what a carburator is or a distribitor cap and rotor and their faces will go blank.
Everything on cars now days is modular, like on a DII compaired to a DI.
The wheel bearings on a DI are just like the wheel bearings on a '57 Chevy, a $15 part, it goes bad, buy a new one, pack it with grease and throw it in.
On a DII you have to replace the whole hub, its easier to replace the whole hub but it will set you back $400 min.
Their computer tells them that XYZ is bad, so they replace XYZ, but that didnt fix the problem, so now replace ABC.
Nobody knows how to diagnois anything, if it aint on a computer screen they are lost.
These guys need to get back to basics, that is one of the reasons that why you are looking for a auto mechanic the nicest looking and cleanest shop is not always the one you want.
You want the one with the owner who does the work and is missing a tooth or two and smokes like a chimmy fire, he knows what he is doing, hes been wrenching since the thrid grade.
The parts guy prob looked in the computer for SAI and the pump came up, he didnt look any harder because there was a hot chick in the waiting room.
Just find a hose that will fit and you should be good to go.

 

I had the same problem with mine.

I replaced that hose, and all the others with 3/4" ID heater hose. It's cheap and can be had just about anywhere.

Cut the existing hose off before the melt and have at it.

It's a good idea to check the pieces around the exhaust manifolds for cracks/wear.

 

This is good and bad. It's good when you want a nice truck for a good price and can do your own work. But it's the reason why these things are worth nothing used.


It's not just auto mechanics. I'm in the computer industry. I used to do board level repairs when I was a repair tech. Most guys, even when I was doing this, were nothing more than "high speed parts changers" that would continue to throw parts at thing, with no REAL understanding of how it worked (that's what the book or the computer software was for) until they made it operate properly.

 

I totally agree with you all. I am so itching to learn more about the vehicle and from you guys to be able to trouble shoot the problems myself.

I deeply value everyone's advice here in this forum. I mean, it seems to me that the major contributors in this forum will do just as well as a certified LR mechanic than those currently. And the difference between those mechanics and us is that they are certified and we are not. Regardless, we are just as intellectual in how LR vehicles run.

Lets say jycsalas' write up about the SAI filter, (without hasty generalization) the dealer would probably tell you to change the whole unit. So I just can't thank enough in who we have here in this forum.

 

I read about the loud humming noise, which I'm sure was answered by your thread. I also found two hoses that seem to have suction to them when the car is running. I have no idea where they attach to if anywhere. Anyone know?

Josh
2004 Land Rover Discover II S
52,000 miles

 

Those are vacuum lines, they will attach to something over there.

 

The beast is LR..smart guys i guess. they built a awsome truck and then hired engineers to make sure everything broke that was over designed and what no auto part store carried. Like Spike said in not so many words, how can anyone screw up a buick engine??? Only some Fu&^&%ing idiot at Land Rover can... They really are idiots... Thanks god they dont design airplanes...we would be in a under populated world...

 

Guys Remember, every time the LR Marquis changed ownership, they got a whole new design group in place, controlled by a whole new financial group (BeanCounters). That's primarily why the DI, DII and LR3 are all so vastly different.

Wonder what TaTA is doing now that they own LR?

It's sort of like comparing the real German built Mercedes Benz SEL with the newer S made in America after Chrysler bought into Mercedes. I had a 1986 420 SEL, and if you have never driven one of those series (W126) you have not experienced a fine automobile. They were incredible machines. Very powerful, very smooth.