Discovery II Talk about the Land Rover Discovery II within.
Sponsored by:
Sponsored by:

XYZ Switch symptoms and what I have checked.

Thread Tools
 
Search this Thread
 
  #1  
Old 09-17-2019, 04:46 PM
bcolins's Avatar
Winching
Thread Starter
Join Date: Aug 2008
Location: Austin, TX
Posts: 677
Received 11 Likes on 10 Posts
Default XYZ Switch symptoms and what I have checked.

When starting the truck first thing in the morning, I occasionally get the flashing “M” and “S” indicators on the dash panel, . I shut the truck off and restart I get a start up with no flashing M and S indicator lights.

Once I have had a clean start with no flashing indicators, I am generally good. No related CELs.

1-My battery is showing a solid 13.00 volts after letting the truck sit for 3 to 4 hours to allow any possible surface charge to diminish.

2-Once the truck is running, I get about 13.5-13.6 volts whether I have the headlights, A/C blower and radio on or not,….doesn't seem to vary much.

5-I have replaced the XYZ switch with a recent salvage yard grab.

6-After a bit of adjusting,…all the PRND21 indicators do light up when they should on the center shifter console and the instrument panel


 

Last edited by bcolins; 02-20-2020 at 01:01 PM.
  #2  
Old 09-17-2019, 05:15 PM
Jason Feuerstein's Avatar
Rock Crawling
Join Date: Nov 2018
Posts: 303
Received 65 Likes on 47 Posts
Default

Generally speaking, you want your battery to be between 13.8 and 14.4 volts when the engine is running. So you're sort of on the low side. Have both your battery and your alternator tested.

You can also check to see if your gas cap isn't sealing properly, but generally that's a less probable cause.

Also, check your codes. Share them here once you pull them.
 

Last edited by Jason Feuerstein; 09-17-2019 at 05:17 PM.
The following users liked this post:
bcolins (09-17-2019)
  #3  
Old 09-17-2019, 05:21 PM
bcolins's Avatar
Winching
Thread Starter
Join Date: Aug 2008
Location: Austin, TX
Posts: 677
Received 11 Likes on 10 Posts
Default

Originally Posted by Jason Feuerstein
Generally speaking, you want your battery to be between 13.8 and 14.4 volts when the engine is running. So you're sort of on the low side. Have both your battery and your alternator tested.

You can also check to see if your gas cap isn't sealing properly, but generally that's a less probable cause.

Also, check your codes. Share them here once you pull them.
Oh Forgot that,....I will add it. NO RELATED CODES !
 
  #4  
Old 09-17-2019, 06:38 PM
Best4x4's Avatar
Super Moderator
Join Date: Apr 2015
Location: Beaumont, TX
Posts: 7,737
Received 2,297 Likes on 1,688 Posts
Default

Just for grins check the Transmission ECU under the drivers seat. I've seen some M & S flashing issues from the darn ECU not being properly connected/secured. The Trans ECU itself could be to blame if someone spilled some coffee or a drink down on it bad enough. The AMP is on top, but it could have gotten wet/damaged.

Have you tried loosening the 2 10mm bolts and adjusting it one way or the other? Sometimes the smallest adjustment can make an XYZ switch happy or sad lol.
 
The following users liked this post:
bcolins (09-17-2019)
  #5  
Old 09-17-2019, 07:24 PM
bcolins's Avatar
Winching
Thread Starter
Join Date: Aug 2008
Location: Austin, TX
Posts: 677
Received 11 Likes on 10 Posts
Default

Thanks, Ill have a look at the trans ECU. It took a couple tries to get the replacement XYZ in the right position where all the gear indicator lights lit up at the right time. It didn't want to rotate much or very easily
 
  #6  
Old 09-28-2019, 12:32 PM
bcolins's Avatar
Winching
Thread Starter
Join Date: Aug 2008
Location: Austin, TX
Posts: 677
Received 11 Likes on 10 Posts
Default

Originally Posted by Jason Feuerstein
Generally speaking, you want your battery to be between 13.8 and 14.4 volts when the engine is running. So you're sort of on the low side. Have both your battery and your alternator tested.

You can also check to see if your gas cap isn't sealing properly, but generally that's a less probable cause.

Also, check your codes. Share them here once you pull them.
I had my battery tested at the local NAPA last night. Same results I got. Standing voltage not running was 12.6, a few minutes after shut down from a 15 minute drive. voltage at idle with all accessories off was 13.51 and fully loaded with AC on full fan and high beams on was 13.41.
He went on to say that the only thing that looked low was the cranking amps at 501 (The battery was a 675 cranking amps battery).

Would a battery with 500 cranking amps potentially case the limp mode with flashing M&S lights?
 
  #7  
Old 10-29-2019, 12:05 PM
bcolins's Avatar
Winching
Thread Starter
Join Date: Aug 2008
Location: Austin, TX
Posts: 677
Received 11 Likes on 10 Posts
Default

Originally Posted by Best4x4
Just for grins check the Transmission ECU under the drivers seat. I've seen some M & S flashing issues from the darn ECU not being properly connected/secured. The Trans ECU itself could be to blame if someone spilled some coffee or a drink down on it bad enough. The AMP is on top, but it could have gotten wet/damaged.

Have you tried loosening the 2 10mm bolts and adjusting it one way or the other? Sometimes the smallest adjustment can make an XYZ switch happy or sad lol.
I looked under the seat,.....everything looked clean and dry there,......Wasn't sure what I was looking at,.......Any further input on the transmission ECU and what to look for would be appreciated.

I did put a new battery in it last week,....as Napa said my cold cranking amps looked a little low,.....so spent the $150 on a new Bosch battery. No difference,.....still have intermittent M&S lights flashing.
 
  #8  
Old 10-29-2019, 01:53 PM
mln01's Avatar
Camel Trophy
Join Date: Dec 2009
Location: Charlotte
Posts: 3,762
Received 895 Likes on 646 Posts
Default

As others have noted the voltage you're getting with the truck running is a little on the low side. You might try replacing the alternator.

Beyond that, you say you have no CEL codes. Does the OBDII device you are using read transmission codes?

According to the RAVE, there are 18 transmission faults that trigger the flashing M and S lights. All but one of them are supposed to also cause the Service Engine Soon warning light to illuminate, and 15 of the 18 also trigger limp home mode. Only one of the 18 indicates a problem with the XYZ switch. If the correct gear indicators are showing as you shift through PRND321 I'd be skeptical it's the XYZ switch causing the problem.

If you're using a code reader that can read engine management codes only you're not getting the full story.
 

Last edited by mln01; 10-29-2019 at 01:56 PM.
The following users liked this post:
bcolins (10-30-2019)
  #9  
Old 10-29-2019, 03:22 PM
bcolins's Avatar
Winching
Thread Starter
Join Date: Aug 2008
Location: Austin, TX
Posts: 677
Received 11 Likes on 10 Posts
Default

[QUOTE=mln01;707378]As others have noted the voltage you're getting with the truck running is a little on the low side. You might try replacing the alternator.

Beyond that, you say you have no CEL codes. Does the OBDII device you are using read transmission codes?

According to the RAVE, there are 18 transmission faults that trigger the flashing M and S lights. All but one of them are supposed to also cause the Service Engine Soon warning light to illuminate, and 15 of the 18 also trigger limp home mode. Only one of the 18 indicates a problem with the XYZ switch. If the correct gear indicators are showing as you shift through PRND321 I'd be skeptical it's the XYZ switch causing the problem.

 

Last edited by bcolins; 02-20-2020 at 01:03 PM.
  #10  
Old 10-30-2019, 03:53 AM
JUKE179r's Avatar
Camel Trophy
Join Date: May 2016
Location: Britainistan, UK
Posts: 3,967
Received 851 Likes on 634 Posts
Default

Originally Posted by bcolins
...But thinking I will try a new battery ground cable first,.....I found a few references to it being a possible problem today,.....and had recently noticed that the exposed copper strands at the center grounding point were showing some sign of corrosion (green fuzz)
If I was a betting man, I bet that cable is the cause to your problems.
 
The following users liked this post:
bcolins (10-30-2019)


Quick Reply: XYZ Switch symptoms and what I have checked.



All times are GMT -5. The time now is 08:54 PM.