Oil change every 21,000 miles??
Rock Crawling
Joined: Jan 2023
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From: North of Toronto
In Canada oil change only is around $295 USD.
Air filter was spotless at 21K kms.
Had to do security enhancement campaign, changed oil, checked filters, dealer didn't press for any extras.
Air filter was spotless at 21K kms.
Had to do security enhancement campaign, changed oil, checked filters, dealer didn't press for any extras.
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Drifting
Joined: Oct 2023
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From: Princeton, NJ
Oil change.
I did mine at the halfway mark and rotated the tires
Hi All,
Wanted to get the group's thoughts: For the new Defender, in the handbook (see attached page), it recommends getting the vehicle serviced every 21,000 miles or every 2 years -- whichever comes first. When researching the Ingenium engine-equipped vehicles (such as the Defender), it says servicing (including oil change) has been extended 30% from 16,000 miles to 21,000 miles due to several innovations of the engine that combine lower oil consumption and clean up of the combustion process--ensuring the oil remains cleaner for longer. I've never gone 21,000 miles btwn oil changes; however, this is a more advanced/efficient engine....allegedly. I am tempted to just get an oil change at the half way mark (10,500 miles) but curious to see what
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2020 Defender 110 First Edition Indus Silver (Current)
2020 Discovery HSE Luxury Si6 Fuji White (Current)
2015 RRS Autobiography Fuji White (Former)
2011 RRS Supercharged Fuji White (Former)
2008 LR2 Fuji White (Former)
Wanted to get the group's thoughts: For the new Defender, in the handbook (see attached page), it recommends getting the vehicle serviced every 21,000 miles or every 2 years -- whichever comes first. When researching the Ingenium engine-equipped vehicles (such as the Defender), it says servicing (including oil change) has been extended 30% from 16,000 miles to 21,000 miles due to several innovations of the engine that combine lower oil consumption and clean up of the combustion process--ensuring the oil remains cleaner for longer. I've never gone 21,000 miles btwn oil changes; however, this is a more advanced/efficient engine....allegedly. I am tempted to just get an oil change at the half way mark (10,500 miles) but curious to see what
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2020 Defender 110 First Edition Indus Silver (Current)
2020 Discovery HSE Luxury Si6 Fuji White (Current)
2015 RRS Autobiography Fuji White (Former)
2011 RRS Supercharged Fuji White (Former)
2008 LR2 Fuji White (Former)
Rock Crawling
Joined: Mar 2021
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From: South Jersey
Being in this industry (mechanic and more importantly maintenance, repair, diagnostic data production) I've literally spent my professional life (decades) watching the trends from the OEM side. When does experience transcend anecdote? That's a whole debate in itself.
I would venture to say that to me the preponderance of the evidence suggests that early oil changes on modern produced vehicles are pointless, the earlier the more pointless. I say this based on anecdotes (both personal and professional), but also on very long term industry wide observation. I think we can all agree that no-one has as much vested interest in the long-term reliability of a motor vehicle more than the company whose sole purpose is to produce it and thereby make money and grow the brand. These same companies on a whole have been extending the maintenance intervals for decades, bit by bit.
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Don't get me wrong there are ABSOLUTELY instances where it is beneficial to do it early - extreme heat, dust, temperature swings will absolutely reduce oil life. But from 21k to 1k NAHHHH, probably not even from 21k to 10K. But I get the compulsion to want to do it early.
Who knows, I might break-down long before my oil and do it at 10k just because it's a nice round number. Maybe. But a part of me will feel foolish too.
I would venture to say that to me the preponderance of the evidence suggests that early oil changes on modern produced vehicles are pointless, the earlier the more pointless. I say this based on anecdotes (both personal and professional), but also on very long term industry wide observation. I think we can all agree that no-one has as much vested interest in the long-term reliability of a motor vehicle more than the company whose sole purpose is to produce it and thereby make money and grow the brand. These same companies on a whole have been extending the maintenance intervals for decades, bit by bit.
<SNIP>
Don't get me wrong there are ABSOLUTELY instances where it is beneficial to do it early - extreme heat, dust, temperature swings will absolutely reduce oil life. But from 21k to 1k NAHHHH, probably not even from 21k to 10K. But I get the compulsion to want to do it early.
Who knows, I might break-down long before my oil and do it at 10k just because it's a nice round number. Maybe. But a part of me will feel foolish too.
In the end I bought a vacuum tool, couldn't get it to work to my satisfaction on other test vehicles (there was still oil to drain manually after best efforts) and decided to punt.
We have been bringing the Defender back to the dealer annually for an oil change, tire rotation, and a brake fluid flush (every other year). I think we're averaging in the neighborhood of 10k miles per year.
It feels a little excessive but it wasn't worth worrying about.
Otherwise the rig has been fantastic with only one other repair - one of the DRLs failed and the tech threw on two new headlights.
The gas & diesel engines share the same basic architecture, as the Ingenium family is a modular design that can be as small as a 1.5L I3, up to a 3.0L I6 and come in gas & diesel variants. It also depends on how you drive the car. If you do a lot of towing or driving in arduous conditions, you should always change the oil more frequently, regardless of its a gas or diesel, but especially with a diesel, as they tend to accumulate gunk & contaminants quicker than a gas engine. I change the oil every 5000 miles on my P300, as I do a lot of mixed city/highway driving and off-roading. If you mainly do highway driving, 10,000 mile oil change intervals are just fine, but I personally wouldn't exceed that level.
Mudding
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From: Southern California
We have two 2021 P400 Defenders and while mine sees a lot of use, spouses is a pavement princess with 4k miles in 4 years. Oil was changed at 2k miles and wondering why do it again at the 4k mark next month. Oil is clean just like it was freshly installed. Of course mine gets lots more mileage and gets changed every 5000-7500 miles. Any suggestions?
Rock Crawling
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We have two 2021 P400 Defenders and while mine sees a lot of use, spouses is a pavement princess with 4k miles in 4 years. Oil was changed at 2k miles and wondering why do it again at the 4k mark next month. Oil is clean just like it was freshly installed. Of course mine gets lots more mileage and gets changed every 5000-7500 miles. Any suggestions?
The whole narrative of car manufacturers recommending service intervals that are too long because they just need to make sure the cars don't break down during the warranty period is complete nonsense.
What about reputation of the branding if cars start breaking down right after 50k mark?
What about all the dealerships that offer extended warranty up to 100k miles? Those dealerships would pay through their noses once all these cars start breaking down after 50k miles with extended warranty. Do you think the car manufacturers would knowingly put all of their dealerships to bankruptcy?
I've owned multiple European brands and I always followed the factory recommendations and all my cars lasted over 200k miles. Oil change every 20k miles have been going on for decades in Europe.
Technology evolves and advances and protocol changes along with it.
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