Pedal Commander now available for 2020+ Defenders
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Mudding
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Pedal Commander now available for 2020+ Defenders
I used to have one of these on my 2021 TRD Pro 4Runner and I really loved it! I wonder how much of a difference it would be on our Defenders!! 😬😬
Pedal Commander for L663
Any thoughts on this?
Pedal Commander for L663
Any thoughts on this?
Looks like a great way to waste some money.
I've not felt that the pedal response of the P400 to be in need of that much adjustment for more, if anything I'd like it to be lest hoppy off the line, seems like if you tap it, you lurch forward.
I've not felt that the pedal response of the P400 to be in need of that much adjustment for more, if anything I'd like it to be lest hoppy off the line, seems like if you tap it, you lurch forward.
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It was an absolute game changer for my 2014 Wrangler 3.6. Took it from “Oh God, why is this so bad?” to “I don’t notice the throttle response at all, which is how it should be.”
The problem for me, though, was primarily the impact of the delayed throttle response on clutch engagement. When driving a stick is 2nd nature you don’t remember what a delicate dance of right-foot-left-foot you have going. But throw in some DBW throttle software that delays the throttle by 3/4 of a second or so and you are constantly either stalling the truck or revving to 3000 rpm before the clutch engages. Then, as soon as you get used to it and start doing it right, you jump back in your (at the time, for me) 911 Turbo with 6M or MINI Clubman 6M, and now your feet are spoiled for a normal throttle response until you’ve driven for 15 minutes.
So the Pedal Commander was a God-send in that regard —didn’t make the Jeep faster or quicker or anything like that. It just aligned the actions of the throttle with the actions of my right foot, and while I hated dropping another $300 on the Jeep to correct something idiotic that was nothing but software, it was ultimately money well-spent.
That said, with the P400 I simply bump over into Sport anytime I want to tighten up the throttle and that’s plenty for me.
The problem for me, though, was primarily the impact of the delayed throttle response on clutch engagement. When driving a stick is 2nd nature you don’t remember what a delicate dance of right-foot-left-foot you have going. But throw in some DBW throttle software that delays the throttle by 3/4 of a second or so and you are constantly either stalling the truck or revving to 3000 rpm before the clutch engages. Then, as soon as you get used to it and start doing it right, you jump back in your (at the time, for me) 911 Turbo with 6M or MINI Clubman 6M, and now your feet are spoiled for a normal throttle response until you’ve driven for 15 minutes.
So the Pedal Commander was a God-send in that regard —didn’t make the Jeep faster or quicker or anything like that. It just aligned the actions of the throttle with the actions of my right foot, and while I hated dropping another $300 on the Jeep to correct something idiotic that was nothing but software, it was ultimately money well-spent.
That said, with the P400 I simply bump over into Sport anytime I want to tighten up the throttle and that’s plenty for me.
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Rock Crawling
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From: South Jersey
It was an absolute game changer for my 2014 Wrangler 3.6. Took it from “Oh God, why is this so bad?” to “I don’t notice the throttle response at all, which is how it should be.”
The problem for me, though, was primarily the impact of the delayed throttle response on clutch engagement. When driving a stick is 2nd nature you don’t remember what a delicate dance of right-foot-left-foot you have going. But throw in some DBW throttle software that delays the throttle by 3/4 of a second or so and you are constantly either stalling the truck or revving to 3000 rpm before the clutch engages. Then, as soon as you get used to it and start doing it right, you jump back in your (at the time, for me) 911 Turbo with 6M or MINI Clubman 6M, and now your feet are spoiled for a normal throttle response until you’ve driven for 15 minutes.
So the Pedal Commander was a God-send in that regard —didn’t make the Jeep faster or quicker or anything like that. It just aligned the actions of the throttle with the actions of my right foot, and while I hated dropping another $300 on the Jeep to correct something idiotic that was nothing but software, it was ultimately money well-spent.
That said, with the P400 I simply bump over into Sport anytime I want to tighten up the throttle and that’s plenty for me.
The problem for me, though, was primarily the impact of the delayed throttle response on clutch engagement. When driving a stick is 2nd nature you don’t remember what a delicate dance of right-foot-left-foot you have going. But throw in some DBW throttle software that delays the throttle by 3/4 of a second or so and you are constantly either stalling the truck or revving to 3000 rpm before the clutch engages. Then, as soon as you get used to it and start doing it right, you jump back in your (at the time, for me) 911 Turbo with 6M or MINI Clubman 6M, and now your feet are spoiled for a normal throttle response until you’ve driven for 15 minutes.
So the Pedal Commander was a God-send in that regard —didn’t make the Jeep faster or quicker or anything like that. It just aligned the actions of the throttle with the actions of my right foot, and while I hated dropping another $300 on the Jeep to correct something idiotic that was nothing but software, it was ultimately money well-spent.
That said, with the P400 I simply bump over into Sport anytime I want to tighten up the throttle and that’s plenty for me.
I must either be a driving God or the dullest tool in the shed.
I say this because I find the DBW throttle fine with my 2016 6-spd JKU.
I also have had no problems with throttle lag/play on my EFI Moto-Guzzis that people tell me I should.
Nor have I had throttle stumbles on my EFI Harleys where people tell me I should.
Nor throttle issues with my EFI BMW Oilheads where people tell me...
And the only problem I have with our P400 is being gentle enough with both pedals. And I want to permanently turn off the stupid ESS system. Ugh.
So God or dimwit, one or the other, you pick.
< Shrugs >
Pro Wrench
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I must either be a driving God or the dullest tool in the shed.
I say this because I find the DBW throttle fine with my 2016 6-spd JKU.
I also have had no problems with throttle lag/play on my EFI Moto-Guzzis that people tell me I should.
Nor have I had throttle stumbles on my EFI Harleys where people tell me I should.
Nor throttle issues with my EFI BMW Oilheads where people tell me...
And the only problem I have with our P400 is being gentle enough with both pedals. And I want to permanently turn off the stupid ESS system. Ugh.
So God or dimwit, one or the other, you pick.
< Shrugs >
I say this because I find the DBW throttle fine with my 2016 6-spd JKU.
I also have had no problems with throttle lag/play on my EFI Moto-Guzzis that people tell me I should.
Nor have I had throttle stumbles on my EFI Harleys where people tell me I should.
Nor throttle issues with my EFI BMW Oilheads where people tell me...
And the only problem I have with our P400 is being gentle enough with both pedals. And I want to permanently turn off the stupid ESS system. Ugh.
So God or dimwit, one or the other, you pick.
< Shrugs >
As I said, as a standalone proposition, the Jeep can be adjusted to within a few minutes, to where you are seamlessly doing it “wrong” so as to drive the Jeep smoothly. It’s just when I would go back and forth between the Jeep and cars whose DBW software engineers had an actual clue that I would have trouble for the first few minutes of the transition. Thankfully, easily (if not cheaply) resolved with a little module that plugs into the back of the accelerator pedal and takes out the lag.
Cheers!
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Mudding
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Seriously though, it just makes things a bit more fun and responsive when driving around town or in the back woods.
Rock Crawling
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Actually I think I'm saying that every throttle is different and they all require some adjustment but it's no big deal.
Pro Wrench
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I don't remember your fleet, other than a Wrangler and Defender. Are you speaking theoretically, or do you actually go back and forth between the Wrangler and other, equally familiar, cars you drive frequently? Because of the, I believe it was 5 guys I knew with both a Wrangler and another clutched manual back when I had my Jeep, all 5 of them had the same troubles I did before correcting the throttle response of the Jeep. I hope it doesn't come across as I'm arguing with you -- just genuinely interested in the subject because I was always amazed at what low-hanging fruit this was for Jeep's DBW software engineers, to not be corrected. And to be fair, it's possible they saw the problem and corrected it by 2016; I don't know that I ever drove any manual Wrangler newer than my 2014.