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Old Jan 29, 2017 | 03:22 PM
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98 D1 4.0 with stock exhaust.

Noticed an issue during disassembly after breaking off a bolt when removing exhaust manifolds. Did my research and bought the tool to separate the runners, however the tool is too long for outside span and too short for the middle span.

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I'm a good 1/4 inch or 5mm off on the worst one.
 
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Old Jan 29, 2017 | 03:31 PM
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You might be in the market for a newerish manifold. That's way off. If it where me I'd remove the manifold and take it into the shop where I'd rose bud the manifold to cherry red and use a pry bar to separate. Then using a commercial belt/disc sander retouch the runners flat. I have a shop at work I can do that though. If you try to move those runners with the manifold cold it's gonna crack and it might not happen immediately but after your remount and use.
 
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Old Jan 29, 2017 | 04:29 PM
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If I take it to a shop that can do it, how do they ensure how far to push it and how do they keep it from moving back before I get it back home?
 
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Old Jan 29, 2017 | 05:08 PM
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By putting it in a jig. You have a shop that said they'll do it? Do they have the stud measurements?
 
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Old Jan 29, 2017 | 07:46 PM
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By putting it in a jig. You have a shop that said they'll do it? Do they have the stud measurements?
Makes sense. But not yet. I'll make calls tomorrow. Not really sure if I should call an indie shop, performance shop, regular mechanic, exhaust shop, or metal fab shop...
 
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Old Jan 29, 2017 | 07:48 PM
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I'm also pondering either Hedman or Toddco headers... I wish there were more stateside options though
 
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Old Jan 29, 2017 | 08:00 PM
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A welding shop would be my favorite. I still think you should just snag one from somewhere, heck Paul Grant probably has a couple hundred pounds of them. If you decide to take it for a date then have the actual stud measurements available for them. Give the total outside stud to outside stud measurement then the next two runner outer stud width. It would look like four holes. You can do just that with cardboard and a punch if you want close.

I would make a pin jig to hold each runner, heat and bend until the flange fits the pins and let cool in place. Very easy for me to say eh. My buddy and I at work have removed cast compressor pulleys the size of a kitchen table with a rosebud. Taint nothing but a thing.
 
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Old Jan 29, 2017 | 08:06 PM
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The headers are made for the 3.9 and must be dented to fit around 4.0's steering shaft. Do you really want to bust out the cash for something you need to dent out of the box? It would be cheaper to make your own shorty's.

I'm not sure why you wrapped your cast manifolds but normally that's meant for headers to help scavenge them by holding in the heat. I would think you've already mastered the art of cherry red by the movement of those runners. If you want a cool engine bay then ceramic is the only method for cast. Cast already holds heat, they don't need a blanket.
 
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Old Jan 30, 2017 | 07:19 AM
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Originally Posted by ihscouts
The headers are made for the 3.9 and must be dented to fit around 4.0's steering shaft. Do you really want to bust out the cash for something you need to dent out of the box? It would be cheaper to make your own shorty's.
No I don't, which is why I'm so reserved about buying them already. I wish I knew how to weld and had the equipment. It's next on my list of skills.
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I'm not sure why you wrapped your cast manifolds but normally that's meant for headers to help scavenge them by holding in the heat. I would think you've already mastered the art of cherry red by the movement of those runners. If you want a cool engine bay then ceramic is the only method for cast. Cast already holds heat, they don't need a blanket.
Wrapping was my cheap and easy method for cooling. Figured it wouldn't do much damage... oh lol... can a little propane plumbing torch get these hot enough for bending?
 
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Old Jan 30, 2017 | 11:57 AM
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Scored an already pulled manifold off a D2 for $30 at the local junkyard. Will know if it fits after classes in a couple hours

Thanks for your help scouts
 
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