Tell me what you know about Tom Woods... I think you should read some of the Tom Woods VS. GBR threads over on Discoweb

 

Jake, Call Bill. I am not debating you on this vs. that. Bills shafts are on over 30% of my 4x4 clubs rigs. They are the last thing to fail. He is 3 generations deep in the business.

"You Can't Beat My Shaft!" - Welcome

 

This is a Tech Forum not a hand holding contest, right? Why would you be opposed to comparing one product to another? If Bill's shafts have better specs/components then they're worth the extra cash. But you should be aware that the normal Tom Woods shaft price is about the same as what Bill is charging. I hope you're not using the "more expensive one is better" philosophy......
Furthermore, why wouldn't you want to promote Bill's business and let the Land Rover community know about a potentially superior product?

Dweb isn't a community known for taking crap and buying crap. If Tom Woods shafts were failing and were crappy they wouldn't be so highly revered on Dweb. If they were failing and crappy there would be considerable talk about it.....and there isn't.

 

I meant, check your components. Bill stated a major supplier for our propshaft ends is no longer using US Steel or being made in the US. Odds are more shaft manufacturers are going to use the Chinese ends which are known to be weak. What do I know about TW shafts? Nothing, except He is not located here. Bill is, which means I can walk in and talk to him directly. Anyone on here walk in and talk to TW directly? Great! Explain how theirs are better! Upon quick inspection of their site his warranty is only 6 months. Bill is 1 year. You have a problem, you can talk directly to Bill. I can call and find out the tube size, or you can email him directly with what you want. I left it up to him given he knows I drive over large boulders.

 

Fair enough. I'm all for using and promoting local guys. I have no idea where Tom Woods sources his ends from. All I can offer is that the one time I spoke to him he was very professional and helpful, and my truck has been totally vine free since installing the TW DC front shaft.

 

But you're promoting Englewood here for people to use, so the "local" argument holds no water as he's likely no more local to the majority of forum members than is TW or GBR. So it makes sense I guess for you to use him, but for most people here he's just another shaft builder like TW and GBR and it comes down to price/warranty/quality. "Local" doesn't play in to it.

Englewood's warranty is 1 year "on all our work" which sounds like a workmanship warranty, but I could be wrong.
The TW warranty is for life for the gold seal u-joints and any consequential damage to the propshaft. Aside from impact damage, which I doubt anyone really warranties against, breaking a u-joint is the most likely thing to happen. Lifetime seems pretty good to me.
What does englewood do if you break a u-joint in 10 years and it takes out a yoke? Free repair & replacement?

 

Im not saying that it is a bad drive shaft, or he doesnt know what he is doing, I am just questioning what makes in the holy grail of shafts? I figure you come on here and say here it is the best land rover shaft ever for $400 you may have a solid fact or two to back it up.

And yes your 4x4 club may run then but the rest of the country for the most part runs Woods or GBR and I have year to hear of a case of a broken double cardan end due to stress and not maintenance of the joint

 

Buy it, don't buy it, I don't care. I am tired of arguing against the devils advocates on here. I personally feel Bill is going the extra distance to make LR people happy. I don't work for him. I am a customer. You want to know what he will do? Call him. I have been in the automotive business for 23 years, I know a stand up business owner when I see one.

Once again I bring up some good information on here and it gets picked apart to pieces. This is really the last time I bring up anything I am doing to my rig. Technical help? Sure, aftermarket, never again.

 

Once again not questioning your buddy Bills integrity just wanted to know more about the shaft. I figured since you bought one and bolted it to your truck you may know something about them - Especially with 23 years of automotive experience.

With that said dont get all butt hurt that we are questioning the product. People just want to know why you went that route and why you seem to think it's the best...

 

I have a stock driveshaft with brand new Ujoints. I'm not going to tell you what kind but take my word for it they're awesome. In fact, mine is the best driveshaft out there, trust me.

People want to know WHY a product is better. You saying so isn't good enough. There has to be a justifiable reason to spend $70 more on a relatively new driveshaft supplier to the Land Rover market instead of a proven supplier.
It's nothing personal. But since you brought it up and you are the closest connection Englewood Driveshaft has to the Land Rover community we're asking you what makes his driveshaft $70 better than a Woods. I don't think that is such an outrageous question. I'm sure Bill is a stand up guy but alone isn't enough to give him an extra $70 I could spend on cool decals.