Need to change the wheel bearing, But...
Need to change the wheel bearing, But...
So I have a 99 Land Rover Discovery I. I just got it about 1 month ago. I got it checked out and was told I need a new wheel bearing...ok, was not informed of this but ok. Get the wheel bearing. Take it to my friends house. Might I just throw out there that He's been a master mechanic for over 20 years. I take it over there. 2 lug nut covers come off, some what easy. 2 hours later he gets another one off. But thats it. The last 2 just would not budge. The only reason the 3rd one came off was because I came on this site and read a thread on it. but unfortunately it didn't help for the last 2. Any advice?
Baja
Joined: Mar 2010
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From: Pittsburgh PA suburbs.
Did they not come off because of the stainless steel caps being damaged?
That is typical of that style lug nuts. They get damaged real easy by idiots with improperly fitting sockets and impact wrenches like most tire dealers and other places insist on using. All 20 of mine got ruined by such an idiot. I replaced them with the solid ones from the earlier version Range Rover Classic. Got a set of 20 for 75 bucks from a recycler in California.
I also bought a 4 way lug wrench at Advanced Auto for 25 bucks. The correct size is 1 1/16 inch.
Also you change your bearings in axle pairs instead of one side at a time.
I would get all the parts needed for both axles. Chances are if one bearings has gone bad, the rest are soon to follow. They need to be serviced regularly.
Have you looked at the RAVE manual to see what is involved in changing a wheel bearing on a Discovery or are you just counting on your friend to know all about it?
If you thought the lug nuts were a bitch, just wait until you see what all is involved in getting to the wheel bearings and then getting the old ones and the inner races out. Be prepared for some real fun.
You will need more than just a wheel bearing by the way. Do a search on here before you go much farther because it is already well documented on here so I will not attempt to repeat all of thosew details.
You will need the correct size adapter or socket to remove the lock nuts involved as well as new gaskets, seals, and a few other goodies.
Oh yeah, iof you do't catch them in time, they tend to weld themselves to the stub axle if they fail at cruising speed. And that does not take long to happen and really makes the job a bear.
Have fun.
That is typical of that style lug nuts. They get damaged real easy by idiots with improperly fitting sockets and impact wrenches like most tire dealers and other places insist on using. All 20 of mine got ruined by such an idiot. I replaced them with the solid ones from the earlier version Range Rover Classic. Got a set of 20 for 75 bucks from a recycler in California.
I also bought a 4 way lug wrench at Advanced Auto for 25 bucks. The correct size is 1 1/16 inch.
Also you change your bearings in axle pairs instead of one side at a time.
I would get all the parts needed for both axles. Chances are if one bearings has gone bad, the rest are soon to follow. They need to be serviced regularly.
Have you looked at the RAVE manual to see what is involved in changing a wheel bearing on a Discovery or are you just counting on your friend to know all about it?
If you thought the lug nuts were a bitch, just wait until you see what all is involved in getting to the wheel bearings and then getting the old ones and the inner races out. Be prepared for some real fun.
You will need more than just a wheel bearing by the way. Do a search on here before you go much farther because it is already well documented on here so I will not attempt to repeat all of thosew details.
You will need the correct size adapter or socket to remove the lock nuts involved as well as new gaskets, seals, and a few other goodies.
Oh yeah, iof you do't catch them in time, they tend to weld themselves to the stub axle if they fail at cruising speed. And that does not take long to happen and really makes the job a bear.
Have fun.
Yeah so I'll fill you in because I know it's WAYYY easier than searching the forums for so many stinking threads that answer different parts of one question.
1. You need a 1 1/16" socket for the wheel lug nuts (as mentioned)
2. You need a 2 1/16" socket for the lock nuts on the axle shaft
3. You need 8 wheel bearings (timken, national, skf are the preferred brands)
4. You need new wheel oil seals for you bearings RTC3511 are preferred.
5. Get new lock washer, lock nuts, and gaskets for the drive member.
Check ROVAHFARM.COM for all that stuff.
1. You need a 1 1/16" socket for the wheel lug nuts (as mentioned)
2. You need a 2 1/16" socket for the lock nuts on the axle shaft
3. You need 8 wheel bearings (timken, national, skf are the preferred brands)
4. You need new wheel oil seals for you bearings RTC3511 are preferred.
5. Get new lock washer, lock nuts, and gaskets for the drive member.
Check ROVAHFARM.COM for all that stuff.
Winching
Joined: Jul 2010
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From: Swampy Sandbar, USA
when you say you removed the lug nut covers do you mean you removed the thin metal cap / cover to reveal the individual lug nuts? They are not supposed to be removed... The metal covers stay on and you need to use the 1 1/16 socket mentioned above.
I feel rediculous...took my rover to discount tire...he took it off like it was nothing haha so much for my friends tool. >_< So I'm going to look at everything we need. So far we have the wheel bearing and grease.. doesn't sound like we have all the parts so far. There's no way to like take everything off, switch the bearing out and put everything back? Because we got the Timken wheel bearing. The guy at firestone said we just need one for the from passenger wheel, before we get it alligned 
and we dont have enough money to get all the bearings replaced Because we are moving on the 17th..to Idaho...from San diego ...
and we dont have enough money to get all the bearings replaced Because we are moving on the 17th..to Idaho...from San diego ...
Yes that it was I meant...I'm kinda new to this :/
Baja
Joined: Mar 2010
Posts: 5,584
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From: Pittsburgh PA suburbs.
They are in pairs on each wheel. Two per wheel. You just got one bearing?
You can get by with reusing the lock nuts and often even the lockwashers. They are fairly thick and you can just pound them back to flat if they are not in bad condition, just remove them carefully so you don't damage them. They are a large flat lock washer that you deform after tightening the lock nut to prevent the nut from backing off. Deform two opposing sides to lock the nut in place.
You should at least get new paper gaskets and the new oil seals are good to have as well. if you existing ones are in good condition, you can even reuse them, I did. I had bought a new set of bearings (4 Bearings) to redo the rear axle initially. As it turned out, I only needed to clean and repack mine. Later I did the front axle.
You can buy the wheel bearings locally to avoid paying unnecesary shipping charges to save some money. You could even go ahead and tear it apart with just the gaskets and oil seals on hand, cleaan and repack them unless you are sure one is bad. If one is bad, I would replace as a minimum both bearings on that wheel, preferably the other wheel as well unless you are sure they are good.
Are you driving the Discovery to Idaho? If you are, you should make damn sure the wheel bearings are properly serviced because if it gives out on your trip, you will spend lots more than if you do it all in advance.
When they fail, they tend to weld themselves to the stub axle which intensifies your problem to the max.
Did you have a lug wrench that came with the Disco? I like my four way from Advance Auto. You can really get excellent leverage on the lug nuts.
You can get by with reusing the lock nuts and often even the lockwashers. They are fairly thick and you can just pound them back to flat if they are not in bad condition, just remove them carefully so you don't damage them. They are a large flat lock washer that you deform after tightening the lock nut to prevent the nut from backing off. Deform two opposing sides to lock the nut in place.
You should at least get new paper gaskets and the new oil seals are good to have as well. if you existing ones are in good condition, you can even reuse them, I did. I had bought a new set of bearings (4 Bearings) to redo the rear axle initially. As it turned out, I only needed to clean and repack mine. Later I did the front axle.
You can buy the wheel bearings locally to avoid paying unnecesary shipping charges to save some money. You could even go ahead and tear it apart with just the gaskets and oil seals on hand, cleaan and repack them unless you are sure one is bad. If one is bad, I would replace as a minimum both bearings on that wheel, preferably the other wheel as well unless you are sure they are good.
Are you driving the Discovery to Idaho? If you are, you should make damn sure the wheel bearings are properly serviced because if it gives out on your trip, you will spend lots more than if you do it all in advance.
When they fail, they tend to weld themselves to the stub axle which intensifies your problem to the max.
Did you have a lug wrench that came with the Disco? I like my four way from Advance Auto. You can really get excellent leverage on the lug nuts.
They are in pairs on each wheel. Two per wheel. You just got one bearing?
You can get by with reusing the lock nuts and often even the lockwashers. They are fairly thick and you can just pound them back to flat if they are not in bad condition, just remove them carefully so you don't damage them. They are a large flat lock washer that you deform after tightening the lock nut to prevent the nut from backing off. Deform two opposing sides to lock the nut in place.
You should at least get new paper gaskets and the new oil seals are good to have as well. if you existing ones are in good condition, you can even reuse them, I did. I had bought a new set of bearings (4 Bearings) to redo the rear axle initially. As it turned out, I only needed to clean and repack mine. Later I did the front axle.
You can buy the wheel bearings locally to avoid paying unnecesary shipping charges to save some money. You could even go ahead and tear it apart with just the gaskets and oil seals on hand, cleaan and repack them unless you are sure one is bad. If one is bad, I would replace as a minimum both bearings on that wheel, preferably the other wheel as well unless you are sure they are good.
Are you driving the Discovery to Idaho? If you are, you should make damn sure the wheel bearings are properly serviced because if it gives out on your trip, you will spend lots more than if you do it all in advance.
When they fail, they tend to weld themselves to the stub axle which intensifies your problem to the max.
Did you have a lug wrench that came with the Disco? I like my four way from Advance Auto. You can really get excellent leverage on the lug nuts.
You can get by with reusing the lock nuts and often even the lockwashers. They are fairly thick and you can just pound them back to flat if they are not in bad condition, just remove them carefully so you don't damage them. They are a large flat lock washer that you deform after tightening the lock nut to prevent the nut from backing off. Deform two opposing sides to lock the nut in place.
You should at least get new paper gaskets and the new oil seals are good to have as well. if you existing ones are in good condition, you can even reuse them, I did. I had bought a new set of bearings (4 Bearings) to redo the rear axle initially. As it turned out, I only needed to clean and repack mine. Later I did the front axle.
You can buy the wheel bearings locally to avoid paying unnecesary shipping charges to save some money. You could even go ahead and tear it apart with just the gaskets and oil seals on hand, cleaan and repack them unless you are sure one is bad. If one is bad, I would replace as a minimum both bearings on that wheel, preferably the other wheel as well unless you are sure they are good.
Are you driving the Discovery to Idaho? If you are, you should make damn sure the wheel bearings are properly serviced because if it gives out on your trip, you will spend lots more than if you do it all in advance.
When they fail, they tend to weld themselves to the stub axle which intensifies your problem to the max.
Did you have a lug wrench that came with the Disco? I like my four way from Advance Auto. You can really get excellent leverage on the lug nuts.
So they are 2 per wheel? and are the they same size? I know the one I got comes in 2 pieces haha. The Timken ones. And I didnt even get an owners manual with it. pretty much just some extra fuses. I've pretty much just been doing research on here with my problems and kinda getting the info from someone answering someone elses question that helps me.
Winching
Joined: Jul 2010
Posts: 598
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From: Swampy Sandbar, USA
Every bit of literature like the owners manual, the workshop manual for repairs and even electrical wiring diagrams are available for FREE...
The first link in my signature below is where you will find it all. You will see a few files to choose from. If you have a decent internet connection then I highly suggest downloading the link that says "warning large file 590 mb"... that is the one that has everything in it and it is ALL worth having if you plan to maintain your Rover.
Yes there are two bearings per wheel and they are the same... one on the inside and one on the outside of the hub. It is recommended to do both fronts and / or both rears at the same time but worst case scenario you can do the other SOON after getting to ID.
First time I've heard of someone leaving SD for ID...
good luck with the drive and welcome to the forum.
The first link in my signature below is where you will find it all. You will see a few files to choose from. If you have a decent internet connection then I highly suggest downloading the link that says "warning large file 590 mb"... that is the one that has everything in it and it is ALL worth having if you plan to maintain your Rover.
Yes there are two bearings per wheel and they are the same... one on the inside and one on the outside of the hub. It is recommended to do both fronts and / or both rears at the same time but worst case scenario you can do the other SOON after getting to ID.
First time I've heard of someone leaving SD for ID...
good luck with the drive and welcome to the forum.