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Did you drain anti-freeze before pulling heads? If not...that's most likely were the anti-freeze in the oil came from. Since you had to pull the lower intake/valley pan to remove heads, which would allow anti-freeze into oil pan.
Those gaskets don't look original, someone's been in there before you. Looks like you had some external combustion leaks and possible internal (cyl to cyl)...but the pictures aren't the best. It's somewhat hard to see if there was internal or external coolant leaks through the gasket...because you removed it...which distorts gasket or removes material along the way. Were all of the head bolts tight?...or did any seem easier to remove than others?
Going by the pictures alone...it looks as though the heads weren't properly torqued or warped. I don't see any marks on the steel portion of the gasket, which would signify sleeve movement.
I'd definitely check the heads for straightness.
Good luck.
Those gaskets don't look original, someone's been in there before you. Looks like you had some external combustion leaks and possible internal (cyl to cyl)...but the pictures aren't the best. It's somewhat hard to see if there was internal or external coolant leaks through the gasket...because you removed it...which distorts gasket or removes material along the way. Were all of the head bolts tight?...or did any seem easier to remove than others?
Going by the pictures alone...it looks as though the heads weren't properly torqued or warped. I don't see any marks on the steel portion of the gasket, which would signify sleeve movement.
I'd definitely check the heads for straightness.
Good luck.
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Did you drain anti-freeze before pulling heads? If not...that's most likely were the anti-freeze in the oil came from. Since you had to pull the lower intake/valley pan to remove heads, which would allow anti-freeze into oil pan.
Those gaskets don't look original, someone's been in there before you. Looks like you had some external combustion leaks and possible internal (cyl to cyl)...but the pictures aren't the best. It's somewhat hard to see if there was internal or external coolant leaks through the gasket...because you removed it...which distorts gasket or removes material along the way. Were all of the head bolts tight?...or did any seem easier to remove than others?
Going by the pictures alone...it looks as though the heads weren't properly torqued or warped. I don't see any marks on the steel portion of the gasket, which would signify sleeve movement.
I'd definitely check the heads for straightness.
Good luck.
Those gaskets don't look original, someone's been in there before you. Looks like you had some external combustion leaks and possible internal (cyl to cyl)...but the pictures aren't the best. It's somewhat hard to see if there was internal or external coolant leaks through the gasket...because you removed it...which distorts gasket or removes material along the way. Were all of the head bolts tight?...or did any seem easier to remove than others?
Going by the pictures alone...it looks as though the heads weren't properly torqued or warped. I don't see any marks on the steel portion of the gasket, which would signify sleeve movement.
I'd definitely check the heads for straightness.
Good luck.
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Ok, that all makes sense. Based on the photos it looks like your hg was leaking coolant externally down the front of the block. There is a small spot on the bottom of the outside edge of the coolant hole next to cylinder #2 where it looks like it was leaking. The normal cause of blown hg is overheating. The normal cause of overheating is low coolant or stuck thermostat. The normal cause of low coolant is deterioration of the polymer components in the system or a worn water pump bearing/seal.
Other points to note:
At this point the most worrying thing is the coolant in the oil, I would remove the front cover and look for a blown gasket. If you can confirm a blown front cover gasket you can risk putting new gaskets back on it with an inline thermostat to control the temperature. If you really wanted to be sure you were good to go you could hot pressure test the block, but that is pretty involved to get the hardware and conduct that test. https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=zlRkbeY7_IY&t=59s
Other points to note:
- Water in the oil is normally caused by blown front cover gasket, which is caused by overheating.
- Not draining the coolant is why you have so much in the cylinders.
- Temp sensors do go bad, checking with an IR gun is the correct way to confirm that.
At this point the most worrying thing is the coolant in the oil, I would remove the front cover and look for a blown gasket. If you can confirm a blown front cover gasket you can risk putting new gaskets back on it with an inline thermostat to control the temperature. If you really wanted to be sure you were good to go you could hot pressure test the block, but that is pretty involved to get the hardware and conduct that test. https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=zlRkbeY7_IY&t=59s
But I'll definitely try to change the timing cover gasket, shouldn't be to hard right?
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Yeah, I would say 75% chance your issues were inflicted by your mechanic and your engine block is fine, just need new gaskets and good assembly.
FYI, the head bolt thread pockets have 1 extra thread clearance with the heads torqued, about .050". If you cut the heads close to that, the bolts can bottom and crack the block. Most do not cut them that much, so generally not a problem as long as the head bolts are not reused. However if there is any question you might think about studs.
FYI, the head bolt thread pockets have 1 extra thread clearance with the heads torqued, about .050". If you cut the heads close to that, the bolts can bottom and crack the block. Most do not cut them that much, so generally not a problem as long as the head bolts are not reused. However if there is any question you might think about studs.
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Yeah, I would say 75% chance your issues were inflicted by your mechanic and your engine block is fine, just need new gaskets and good assembly.
FYI, the head bolt thread pockets have 1 extra thread clearance with the heads torqued, about .050". If you cut the heads close to that, the bolts can bottom and crack the block. Most do not cut them that much, so generally not a problem as long as the head bolts are not reused. However if there is any question you might think about studs.
FYI, the head bolt thread pockets have 1 extra thread clearance with the heads torqued, about .050". If you cut the heads close to that, the bolts can bottom and crack the block. Most do not cut them that much, so generally not a problem as long as the head bolts are not reused. However if there is any question you might think about studs.
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Yeah as I was saying to the deputy, the shop I originally hired to change the head gasket missed and didn't replace the other gaskets. I mean they did some ghetto crap like putting a freaking stud on the exhaust manifold, 3 bolts were missing on the water pump...it's so much crap. So from now on I'm doing all the work myself, I don't trust any shop to work or give me advice other than you gents.
But I'll definitely try to change the timing cover gasket, shouldn't be to hard right?
But I'll definitely try to change the timing cover gasket, shouldn't be to hard right?
You have to remove oil pan to remove front cover...oil pick up tube has to be accessed and removed from front cover from below.
As far as the "leftover gaskets"...most kits fit multiple engines...so there are always leftovers. Not defending their work in any way, shape or form...just mentioning.
Yeah, l'd get that head checked and just replace gaskets/head bolts or studs (and whatever you run into, like timing chain and gears, etc). I'm not seeing any "steam cleaning" of the pistons or marks on head gasket from slipped liner...so l'd feel pretty confident that this was just a crappy rebuild the last time.
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Oh no I wasn't expecting the bolts to be easy to break off but like the bolt towards the fire wall wasn't that hard to break off. So as I was saying to the others the mechanic shop didn't torque these down to specs.
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Yeah I just looked over the pic's and the HG around the cylinders looks good. Also the sleeves themselves in the engine look fine. The outer water jacket part of the gasket was questionable as the red line is supposed to go all the way around the water jacket to help seal it. It's probably a combo of a bad job, re-used HG bolts, or incorrect torque, or the heads were warped and they didn't bother to check them for being warped, or they said they did it, but they didn't.... I'd have them decked or get a set of refurbished heads, then get the HG Kit from AB, Roversnorth, or Lucky8.
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Yeah I just looked over the pic's and the HG around the cylinders looks good. Also the sleeves themselves in the engine look fine. The outer water jacket part of the gasket was questionable as the red line is supposed to go all the way around the water jacket to help seal it. It's probably a combo of a bad job, re-used HG bolts, or incorrect torque, or the heads were warped and they didn't bother to check them for being warped, or they said they did it, but they didn't.... I'd have them decked or get a set of refurbished heads, then get the HG Kit from AB, Roversnorth, or Lucky8.