DII Diesel question
I know the whole subject of putting a diesel in a DII has been beaten to death here and else where and since I have dodged the bullet with my 100,000 mile '03, and am not currently in the "conversion state of mind".
I'm luck so far, but...
Since there is a UK/Euro version of the DII in diesel form - TD5 - why can’t one purchase a block/tranny/ECU (and what ever else is needed) and force one into a US version?
Thanks for everyone’s expert advise!
I'm luck so far, but...
Since there is a UK/Euro version of the DII in diesel form - TD5 - why can’t one purchase a block/tranny/ECU (and what ever else is needed) and force one into a US version?
Thanks for everyone’s expert advise!
They are available. If you don't have emissions testing in your state, you can buy some from right here in the good old US of A. You can plan on spending around 5-10K depending on how much you do yourself. Believe it or not it is easier to convert a DI than a DII.
You're absolutely on the right track. You've got the basics down and then there are a bunch of little nickle and dime type things. I really don't think it's going to be nearly the undertaking it tends to be made out to be. I figure it's going to take me about a week to do. The only non-mechanical thing will be plugging in and changing the BCU items to diesel.
There's nothing inherently illegal about importing and installing a TD5. In regards to emissions, you have to remember that we're not looking at 2010 emissions requirements. In both your and my case we're looking at 2003. The TD5 met the EU Tier 3 standard:
CO: 0.95
NOx: 0.79
HC+NOx: 0.86
Particulate: 0.10
I haven't found any actual data from a brand new TD5 with enhanced EGR (which I would delete anyway) and Catalyst but the incidental data I have received from those with TD5s puts the actual emissions on a well broken in engine well below the above numbers.
The US requirements will vary by state but the above far exceed the Federal minimums. SO, in theory, road testing should not be a problem. My state doesn't have emissions testing so I'm in the clear (for now anyway).
I've been collecting bits and baubles for a little over a year now and am down to getting the funds together for the engine. I've purchased everything factory new and figure I'm going to have the better part of 20K all in. Some things were stupid to buy new like the engine harness for around 2K that could have been had used for $200 but I didn't want to have to worry about any problems. I figure going used all the way it could be done for maybe 6K.
You certainly can't argue the economics of the swap on the point of fuel savings, but here's my logic: When the LR3 came out I quickly realized that my Disco was the last Land Rover I was ever going to buy. Personally, I absolutely despise it and feel that LR is trading on its past legacy and is now trying to mass market cars. I can't buy a new Land Rover because they don't make any. My options then become plunk down 50K+ on a vehicle I despise or spend half that on a brand new engine, transmission axle and diff upgrades and other fun stuff and basically have a brand new Land Rover that I love and is exactly the way I want it. Then, to me, it looks like a pretty good deal.
I plan to document my transplant so that those interested can have a good first hand step by step with part numbers, etc. Perhaps I'm overly confident but I believe it will be more time consuming than difficult.
There's nothing inherently illegal about importing and installing a TD5. In regards to emissions, you have to remember that we're not looking at 2010 emissions requirements. In both your and my case we're looking at 2003. The TD5 met the EU Tier 3 standard:
CO: 0.95
NOx: 0.79
HC+NOx: 0.86
Particulate: 0.10
I haven't found any actual data from a brand new TD5 with enhanced EGR (which I would delete anyway) and Catalyst but the incidental data I have received from those with TD5s puts the actual emissions on a well broken in engine well below the above numbers.
The US requirements will vary by state but the above far exceed the Federal minimums. SO, in theory, road testing should not be a problem. My state doesn't have emissions testing so I'm in the clear (for now anyway).
I've been collecting bits and baubles for a little over a year now and am down to getting the funds together for the engine. I've purchased everything factory new and figure I'm going to have the better part of 20K all in. Some things were stupid to buy new like the engine harness for around 2K that could have been had used for $200 but I didn't want to have to worry about any problems. I figure going used all the way it could be done for maybe 6K.
You certainly can't argue the economics of the swap on the point of fuel savings, but here's my logic: When the LR3 came out I quickly realized that my Disco was the last Land Rover I was ever going to buy. Personally, I absolutely despise it and feel that LR is trading on its past legacy and is now trying to mass market cars. I can't buy a new Land Rover because they don't make any. My options then become plunk down 50K+ on a vehicle I despise or spend half that on a brand new engine, transmission axle and diff upgrades and other fun stuff and basically have a brand new Land Rover that I love and is exactly the way I want it. Then, to me, it looks like a pretty good deal.
I plan to document my transplant so that those interested can have a good first hand step by step with part numbers, etc. Perhaps I'm overly confident but I believe it will be more time consuming than difficult.
I plan to document my transplant so that those interested can have a good first hand step by step with part numbers, etc. Perhaps I'm overly confident but I believe it will be more time consuming than difficult.[/quote]
good stuff.ill be watching
good stuff.ill be watching
No conversion would be necessary to run even b100... in summer. In winter you'd have to run a blend. It really never gets below 30 here so in the winter I've never had any problems with B70 and block heater.
Haven't found a definitive answer on what the factory lines are made of but the only possible "upgrade" would be changing out the fuel and injector lines to Viton. I've been running B100 on an MB diesel for a couple of years on new factory lines and haven't had any seepage yet but I'll prob swap everything out with Viton when I do the LR conversion.
The only thing I don't have absolutely planned out are the motor mounting points on the frame. I'm hoping I don't have to completely fabricate new ones. I also don't necessarily want to loose the engine oil cooler for the intercooler but that brings up the problem of there not being a thermostat for it and having to fabricate that so I'll prob end up ditching it. Anyway, I'll get my notes together and post but my plan is basically to assemble everything on a good rolling chassis then lower my good body on. I buy Rovers and sell the parts so I've free access to a lot of things to make this easier. It also makes me pretty speedy with things like pulling engines and harnesses since I basically do it all day.
-T-
Haven't found a definitive answer on what the factory lines are made of but the only possible "upgrade" would be changing out the fuel and injector lines to Viton. I've been running B100 on an MB diesel for a couple of years on new factory lines and haven't had any seepage yet but I'll prob swap everything out with Viton when I do the LR conversion.
The only thing I don't have absolutely planned out are the motor mounting points on the frame. I'm hoping I don't have to completely fabricate new ones. I also don't necessarily want to loose the engine oil cooler for the intercooler but that brings up the problem of there not being a thermostat for it and having to fabricate that so I'll prob end up ditching it. Anyway, I'll get my notes together and post but my plan is basically to assemble everything on a good rolling chassis then lower my good body on. I buy Rovers and sell the parts so I've free access to a lot of things to make this easier. It also makes me pretty speedy with things like pulling engines and harnesses since I basically do it all day.
-T-
Engine- Complete
Transmission Assembly TGD000220
Transmission mounts - same as V8
Springs - I hope the OME HDs will do
Body to Frame Busings KVF100070 (15)
KVF100090 (5)
ENGINE BRACKET RH KKU000740
ENGINE BRACKET LH ANR6623
HEAT SHIELD ANR6610
ENGINE MOUNT KKB102602 (2)
HARNESS ENGINE YSB000841
ENGINE ECU NNN500030
INERTIA SWITCH WQT100030L
TRANSMISSION ECU IGG000060
INTERCOOLER PCM100220
HOSES PNH102101
ESR4640
COOLANT HOSES PIP000040
PBH1010980
PEP102671
PFV000100
PIH000020
PCH001360
PEH000310
HEATER HOSES JHB000060
JHC100460
ENGINE BELT PQS101500
RADIATOR FAN PGG500340
CLUTCH/PULLEY ERR6948
EXHAUST HEADER PIPE WCD000500
CATALYST WDE100590
SILENCER WDE1006600 (SAME as V8)
EGR
BRACKET AND ANCILLARIES WAU100440
VALVE WAV100270
GASKET ERR6620
PIPE WAP101220
BRACKET WAU100320
AIR FILTER BOX PHB000131
MAF MHK100620
HOSE TO TURBO ESR4234
ELBOW CONNECTOR DNG100280
FUEL FILTER WJN500150
FUEL LINES WJP500070
WJP108110
FUEL TANK ESR4672
FUEL LINE ADAPTOR ESR3807
SENDING UNIT YAD500040
LIFT PUMP WFX000280
BREATHER ASSEMBLY ESR4290
FAN SHROUDS AND RADIATOR SURROND- WAIT AND SEE
Transmission Assembly TGD000220
Transmission mounts - same as V8
Springs - I hope the OME HDs will do
Body to Frame Busings KVF100070 (15)
KVF100090 (5)
ENGINE BRACKET RH KKU000740
ENGINE BRACKET LH ANR6623
HEAT SHIELD ANR6610
ENGINE MOUNT KKB102602 (2)
HARNESS ENGINE YSB000841
ENGINE ECU NNN500030
INERTIA SWITCH WQT100030L
TRANSMISSION ECU IGG000060
INTERCOOLER PCM100220
HOSES PNH102101
ESR4640
COOLANT HOSES PIP000040
PBH1010980
PEP102671
PFV000100
PIH000020
PCH001360
PEH000310
HEATER HOSES JHB000060
JHC100460
ENGINE BELT PQS101500
RADIATOR FAN PGG500340
CLUTCH/PULLEY ERR6948
EXHAUST HEADER PIPE WCD000500
CATALYST WDE100590
SILENCER WDE1006600 (SAME as V8)
EGR
BRACKET AND ANCILLARIES WAU100440
VALVE WAV100270
GASKET ERR6620
PIPE WAP101220
BRACKET WAU100320
AIR FILTER BOX PHB000131
MAF MHK100620
HOSE TO TURBO ESR4234
ELBOW CONNECTOR DNG100280
FUEL FILTER WJN500150
FUEL LINES WJP500070
WJP108110
FUEL TANK ESR4672
FUEL LINE ADAPTOR ESR3807
SENDING UNIT YAD500040
LIFT PUMP WFX000280
BREATHER ASSEMBLY ESR4290
FAN SHROUDS AND RADIATOR SURROND- WAIT AND SEE


