Discovery reliability
#11
RE: Discovery reliability
ORIGINAL: WolfPack
Sounds pretty good statistically. I'd be interested to see the results. How are you accounting for a self-selection bias? Also are you extrapolating to verify if your sample's results match up to the greater population? Also what about geographic locations? Just curious about the methods!
Sounds pretty good statistically. I'd be interested to see the results. How are you accounting for a self-selection bias? Also are you extrapolating to verify if your sample's results match up to the greater population? Also what about geographic locations? Just curious about the methods!
I have a second "Repair History Survey" for people who want to post every repair their vehicle has required.
I haven't tried to do any especially fancy analyses yet, both because the sample sizes are currently small and because I'm doing nearly everything myself and my time is limited. I do plan to do more as these limitations diminish.
On the other topics in this thread: I've often heard the same thing, but don't know how true it is. I can offer that most of the things that fail in the first 3-5 years of a car's life are not things that can be maintained. Lots of electrical. Once past 100k miles maintenance probably makes more of a difference.
I do not currently ask about maintenance for two reasons. First, it would require more work from participants. Second, I suspect it would be like when the dentist asks how often you floss your teeth. Many people will lie, or simply avoid going to the dentist.
CR's methods have major limitatons, but not ones people often suspect. I've written about these here:
Seven serious problems with Consumer Reports
#12
RE: Discovery reliability
ORIGINAL: Dervatl
Interesting conversation guys. The different perspectives are very interesting indeed. Many years ago, I owned and operated a fewover-the-road coaches (buses). The one thing I harped on to the maintenance people is "don't save me any money!!!". I want to save money on fuel, driver hours,and tolls, but not maintenance.Everytime they tried to cut corners to reduce maintenance cost (less expensive tires, cheaper parts, etc.), it usually came around and bit us in the butt.
I think our Discovery's are the same. If you let things go, sooner or later it will cost you more than if you took care of it when it was first needed. I've always tried to maintain myvehicles to the "T". I never sell a vehicle with anything wrong with it. If I own it, it's going to be current on maintenance and everything is going to work on it. Whether I'm keeping it for a long while, or whether it's being sold next week, is irrevelent. Oh, my friends love to buy my cars when I sell them.
Interesting conversation guys. The different perspectives are very interesting indeed. Many years ago, I owned and operated a fewover-the-road coaches (buses). The one thing I harped on to the maintenance people is "don't save me any money!!!". I want to save money on fuel, driver hours,and tolls, but not maintenance.Everytime they tried to cut corners to reduce maintenance cost (less expensive tires, cheaper parts, etc.), it usually came around and bit us in the butt.
I think our Discovery's are the same. If you let things go, sooner or later it will cost you more than if you took care of it when it was first needed. I've always tried to maintain myvehicles to the "T". I never sell a vehicle with anything wrong with it. If I own it, it's going to be current on maintenance and everything is going to work on it. Whether I'm keeping it for a long while, or whether it's being sold next week, is irrevelent. Oh, my friends love to buy my cars when I sell them.
Well, we are on on the OPPOSITE side of the world from where these LRs are made and my experience is if ya don't use genuine or better parts these trucks will cost a'truck load'to fix! The otherside of this is 'cos we are so far away it can a little while get bits if there has been a run on things. But I don't care, I like that sticker under the bonnet with the Land Rover Genuine Parts and that's what I use unless I can get a better or equivalent (as in OEM) part. Then and only then do I not have any problems. I have the same problem, people love my cars when I sell them too as most are too mean to fix them to the same level.
My 10c
#13
RE: Discovery reliability
Well safe to say I have never owned a Chevy or a GM made vehicle. I don't plan on buying one here in the near future. I have never been a fan of how they drive due to the dead feeling in the steering.
I purchased my Land Rover back in September of 2007 with 112,000 miles on the clock. It was high miles and needed a little work. Within a few months I had a power steering pump go out. Not unheard of a vehicle with that many miles and for the age. Now I am having SLS issues and am planning on rebuilding the whole system. Lots of people say that is a Land Rover. One problem fixed and on to the next. I look back on the six months that I drove it on a daily basis and that is all the repairs I have had. It currently has 135,000 on the clock. For any vehicle that could handle that amount of mileage in six months is built like a tank.
To back up my last statement I have a 2008 Ford Escape that I have been driving since February and about 20,000 on the clock. I have had some really strange issues with mine. One in my area for my co workers already had died was out for a week.
I think everyone here is right. You have to want to maintain the vehicle. I change the oil once a month spark plugs every six. If anything is acting up and strange I find out what and why and get it fixed. I have owned Hondas, Fords, Dodges, and a Volkswagen. All vehicles need repairs through out their lives. Some people just do them and not worry about them. I have friends that never do anything with their vehiclesthat is'ntgas and tires.
Then they wonder why they have a transmission failure or engine seized.
That is how I look at vehicles. I like to wrench and rebuild my own. So I don’t see a problem with a little hiccup here and there. Just means it is time for a beer and relaxing with a wrench.
I purchased my Land Rover back in September of 2007 with 112,000 miles on the clock. It was high miles and needed a little work. Within a few months I had a power steering pump go out. Not unheard of a vehicle with that many miles and for the age. Now I am having SLS issues and am planning on rebuilding the whole system. Lots of people say that is a Land Rover. One problem fixed and on to the next. I look back on the six months that I drove it on a daily basis and that is all the repairs I have had. It currently has 135,000 on the clock. For any vehicle that could handle that amount of mileage in six months is built like a tank.
To back up my last statement I have a 2008 Ford Escape that I have been driving since February and about 20,000 on the clock. I have had some really strange issues with mine. One in my area for my co workers already had died was out for a week.
I think everyone here is right. You have to want to maintain the vehicle. I change the oil once a month spark plugs every six. If anything is acting up and strange I find out what and why and get it fixed. I have owned Hondas, Fords, Dodges, and a Volkswagen. All vehicles need repairs through out their lives. Some people just do them and not worry about them. I have friends that never do anything with their vehiclesthat is'ntgas and tires.
Then they wonder why they have a transmission failure or engine seized.
That is how I look at vehicles. I like to wrench and rebuild my own. So I don’t see a problem with a little hiccup here and there. Just means it is time for a beer and relaxing with a wrench.
#16
I would also like to include the Disco II in our results, so the thread itself is relevant. Simply a matter of getting enough participants. While not everyone cares about reliability stats, some people would love to have better reliability info on the Disco II. I conduct this research for those who want the results. Over 35,000 signed up so far.
Car reliability research
#18
Updated results recently posted for the LR3. The Disco II isn't in the survey yet, but getting closer to the minimum number of owners.
Vehicle reliability research
Vehicle reliability research
#19
83 Discovery owners now signed up. A decent start, but more are needed to include the Disco II in the survey.
Car reliability research
Car reliability research
#20
I think reliability is such a hard thing to factor. I've been saying for years that Toyota reliability is somewhat of a misnomer. I've noticed the typical Toyota owner is one that buys a Toyota due to it's perceived reliability and quality (which I would dispute having owned a few Toyotas). Such owners are looking for max reliability and return on investment. I argue that they fall into a class of owners who go out of their way to ensure their vehicle is well maintained. Therefore the car/truck owner takes their vehicle into the dealer or a mechanic for regular maintenance andinspections moreso than your typical Chevy or Ford owner who buys on price and "cheap" deal. Because of this problems are found before it leads to more expensive repairs and breakdowns. These owners seem more willing to pay out to get their vehicles repaired, which ensures they operate more reliability...and therefore the increase in perceived "reliability". The circle continues.
http://www.theatlantic.com/doc/200911/brownlee-h1n1