Sorry i havent come on...no internet at home over weekends..

I recently took my front housing off on my 03 to install the cdl nipple and i bought everything from Toddcosuspensions. he is a great guy. those 'scratches' aren't caused by the gears or shafts...

I think that is what gets "grinded" down by the manufactures who make the casing.

I had the same thing on the piece Todd sent me and the piece that came off.

check the pics...and if i'm wrong about those scratches then ..... i still wouldn't worry about them.. If you look close at YOUR pics you'll see that the "scratches" are made in all sorts of directions...isn't that impossible to occur for a set of gears spinning in one direction....

http://picasaweb.google.com/jycsalas/AddingCDL#

 

I just called Todd at toddco who explained everything to me with rocks and apples but
I´m still concerned about overlooking something even do I watched my self how the out put flange was causing the prop shaft ( drive shaft ) to vibrate that way.


This was caused by a broken front drive shaft at arround 55 MPH and 6 months ago.
All of this drive shaft , t case, and all post reppairs I made was caused by a MISSPLACED U JOINT SEAL OR CIRCLIP right after a complete u joint change with grease fittings. or a very stupid HUMAN MISTAKE that could easily been avoided .. I´m righting all of this for the next guy.

Mabe there is a way to check U Joint Installment for Us non mechanical owners in order to avoid what I´ve gone through.

 

Well todcco suspensions sent a front T case Shaft that Is not the one I needed even do he agreed to send another piece at no cost he is assuring me that that Shaft without the CDL crown Will work on my truck... That my truck ( an 03 ) does not have CDL and that he does´nt know what that piece is doing in there. Hell Only my grandfather knowns and he is Dead Now so. Thats why I sent todcco a Picture.

Can any one tell me if that Front Transfer shaft will work on my truck even do it does not come with that CDL crown (m Like the one in the picture on these post)

 

How is the shaft Todd sent you not the one you needed? Please explain...

Whichever shaft he sent you will work in your transfer case. The only difference will be if your 03 DII has the ability to "LOCK" the transfer case(with or without the console shifter) and if you can continue to do so with the shaft he sent you...

For example,
If Todd sent you a shaft without the "crown" and you have a locking t-case, then you will NOT be able to lock it.
If Todd sent you a shaft with the "crown" and you don't have a locking t-case, then you NOT be able to lock it.

Regardless as long as he sent you a LR Discovery shaft, it will work. I have a shaft with crown from a pre 98 Discovery in my 03. It works!

We need you to post a pic of the shaft he he sent you next to your original one.

Also post a pic of YOUR front output housing AND your transfer case shifter.

Your housing should look like one of these...either the one on the left or the right.

http://picasaweb.google.com/jycsalas...82880969251874

 

You are very lucky Todd risked dealing with an international customer. He has been ripped off many times dealing out of the U.S. We trust you aren't wanting to rip anyone off =)

He always goes above and beyond to explain things and fix concerns with his customers. You are lucky he decided to help you, twice.

Anyway... please explain what you said happened with your front drive shaft rebuild.

1. Did you rebuild it before it broke 6 months ago?
2. When it broke did it do damage to any part of the Discovery, like the transmission?

3. Are you saying that after you/a shop/friends, rebuilt the drive shaft with greaseable u joints that it started to vibrate and you believe the front out-put shaft got bent as a result and now you are hoping to replace the front output shaft?

4. IF so...then the rebuild of that drive shaft may have gone wrong, and did not get balanced as some require. Did you replace the centering ball?

If you, or your shop didn't rebuild it right, then whichever shaft you reinstall will have the same outcome or worse. RE- rebuild the drive shaft and make sure it's balanced.

Here's a good write-up on the rebuild
http://www.discovery2.co.uk/propshafts.html

i can email you another one if you'd like.

 

Jicsalas it´s all in the other Post ( Link on my first quote )

Please don´t Imply that Im trying to rip someone off. I did send a Picture of the Part I needed and Payed for It including shipping so I dont think he was doing me a favor.

There is a very simple explanation on LR work shop Manual that states the difference between the Shaft with CDL and without CDL.

He did recognize his mistake and Hopefully will send the Part I need down here so If anyone is being ripped Off It´s Me. right??????

I really dont Understand how he can get ripped off By In ternational buyers unless he sends goods without getting the money first??? Now That would be a new one..but not In these case.

I really do think You should re organize your thoughts and words.

 

all I meant was that u r lucky to be getting anything. Sorry if it came out wrong.

Anyway, I re-read this entire thread a couple of times before I replied with those simple questions for you to answer individually. Im having some difficulty understanding how this all happened. I beleive I would understand it more if you answered the quetions. if you don't, my help may end here, not becaus I don't want to but because I don't understand. Also please quote the rave manual or whichever manual you have that tells you that using either front out-put shaft won't work. As far as I thought, the only differne was the crown which when the t-case is locked, receives the dog clutch to syncronize the rotation of both front and rear output shafts...

I'm rebuilding my front drive shaft today and some other stuff so I won't be able to review this threat till later tonight.

If you can't answer those questions can you post the requested pics?

 

Thanks jycsalas.

I cant seem to be able to copy paste on my Manual but never the less I think you are right. The only difference is that crown of the CDL.

It is really a very Long story on my Front D shaft but Ill try to resume.

I read at this forum about the U joints going bad when I first got ( Inherit ) my Discovery and in an attempt to bring it to Tip Top Condition I bought new U Joints Not because I thought Mine were failling but just as a Precautión. I guess one of the new u Joints was missplaced of what I believe was a Circlip. and my front D shaft fell Off at about 55 MPH. No apparent damage at That Time , No leaks or anything ( Incredible right? ) I went to a D Shaft shop and made a temporary repair si I could drive back to Mexico City ( 100 Milles aprox ) witch i drove at 30 MPH TOPS.

I went straight back to the original shop and after yelling my heart out to the Owner I decided to change the entire front D shaft. witch I bought in Colorado Drive shaft.

Vibration started right after installing that Front D Shaft so I :

Balanced wheels.
Changed Shocks.
Changed all U joints again ( Including Centreing Ball )
Rotoflex.
New Tyres.
New wheel Hubs.
Balanced rear d shaft ( never balanced front d shaft )
Serviced Tranny and Checked and serviced differentialls. These made the vibration easier or softer.
Then I took my truck To a 4x4 shop since i was tired of guesing and took the whole thing apart ( diferentials and T Case ) the thing is when they were checking the T case the front flange was turning Outside of its axis or looked Bent and seemed like the origin of these vibration.. so I went ahead and tried to repair It since a new T Case down here are over 7 K plus taxes and getting a new one is also very expensive due to Freight costs so I started looking for that specific Shaft and flange witch I found with Todd.

Now about Todd I agree That he is a Nice Guy and was actually Trying to help More than to get rich with Me but never the less I got the wrong Part and Flang alone cost me 80USD and it wasn´t even New ( Plus a very expensive shipping )

I am not very mechanical 7 months ago I did´nt know you should change sapark Plugs or that I had a 4.6 v 8 or many other things I Know now ( seriously ) but my grandfather whom I got the car from Loved It so Much that I decided to Keep It along whith a couple of other ( British ) cars that I havent even started looking at Yet.

I think I Might sell some of them but defenetly will keep My disco. since it still smells like his stinky cigar.

My shop told me that most of the vibration got better when changing the flange and that they will attempt to Fix the Shaft since he doesnt Know or want to install for some reazon the shaft Todd sent. Now this is were I could Use some Help Please.

 

It all hs been the same story with these vibration Its all under Javoli001 and Javoli002

And hell My car is now my Hobby.

Why did they change the Forums Format ??????
Why fix something that It Isnt Broken?

 

Ok I'm running out of options... I think the last front drive shaft you installed (that was built by a shop in colorado wasn't balanced right or installed correctly which could have bent the flange/out-put shaft as it rotated. All this said, I believe the proper remedy was to fix that drive shaft, install a new flange and front out-put shaft either with or without crown would work.

So...

1. Get the drive shaft fixed - rebalanced...
2. Install a new/old front ouput shaft with or with out the crown. (posting a pic of your t-case and shifter like i asked I would tell you exactly which one)
3. install a new flange, new oil seal, new felt washer, metal washer, and nut.
4. put everything back together and go for a drive....

follow the manual to install everything in order....(not as listed here)

Let us know how it goes...