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Old 04-12-2021 | 08:19 AM
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Originally Posted by robertf
That is not how an alternator works
According to whom?
 
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Old 04-12-2021 | 08:37 AM
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According to whom?
it's not a matter of opinion

This study at the National Research Center in Egypt, Fayoum University, and Al Azhar University showed that around 1 liter per minute of HHO can be produced at around 14-20 amps. Car batteries can produce about 3-4 amps.


Gibb's equation has been around since the 1800's, this is a pointless study.

Your car battery should be able to supply 100X that, no wonder your atlernator never shuts off.

 
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Old 04-12-2021 | 09:31 AM
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Originally Posted by robertf
it's not a matter of opinion



Gibb's equation has been around since the 1800's, this is a pointless study.

Your car battery should be able to supply 100X that, no wonder your atlernator never shuts off.

Again, just because you say something doesn't make it true.

The "Gibb's equation" as you call it only applies to closed systems and we aren't talking about a closed system. We are talking about an open or augmented system. And, I've said this before, you are over simplifying the system in order to apply your limited understanding to it. It's not just a single system. It's more complex than that. With the HHO (fuel from water) devices for increasing MPG in cars we have chemical, mechanical, and electrical processes going on in a way that is not yet common knowledge (you and others on this website prove that.) You can't make an apples to apples comparison or generalizations across different types of systems (chem/elec/mech.)

"On the other hand, when the thermodynamic system of interest is not a closed system (i.e., it can exchange energy, voluime, particles, etc. with some “environment”) the entropy of the system can decrease – it is only the total entropy of the system + environment which is maximized in equilibrium."
http://www.physics.usu.edu/torre/370...ectures/06.pdf
Please stop with the psuedo-science. You are making faulty applications of the scientific principles and false statements about how alternators actually work.


"The alternator is constantly working to generate electricity while the engine is running. ... If it breaks or the alternator belt is broken, the vehicle will quickly drain power from the battery and eventually shut the vehicle off or make it impossible to start."

https://www.yourmechanic.com/questio...rk-in-your-car
 
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Old 04-12-2021 | 09:32 AM
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Originally Posted by robertf
Your car battery should be able to supply 100X that, no wonder your atlernator never shuts off.
Stop putting out incorrect information.

For example, an average automotive battery might have a capacity of about 70 amp-hours, specified at a current of 3.5 amps. This means that the amount of time this battery could continuously supply current of 3.5 amps to a load would be 20 hours (70 amp-hours / 3.5 amps).


https://www.allaboutcircuits.com/tex...F%203.5%20amps).
 
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Old 04-12-2021 | 09:42 AM
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Theres a difference in amps and amp hours
 
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Old 04-12-2021 | 09:44 AM
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Originally Posted by robertf
Theres a difference in amps and amp hours
You really are a genius.

I said the battery can provide around 3-4 amps (continuous) and it may be less than that. We aren't talking about a one time event here. Please read before you reply.
 
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Old 04-12-2021 | 10:24 AM
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Does a 120 amp alternator require the same work input with the headlights on or off?

how does an ammeter work?

Is there 1.5 kw of waste heat generated by the alternator when idling with all accessories off?
 
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Old 04-12-2021 | 08:00 PM
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Originally Posted by robertf
Does a 120 amp alternator require the same work input with the headlights on or off?

how does an ammeter work?

Is there 1.5 kw of waste heat generated by the alternator when idling with all accessories off?
Why don't you tell everyone since you are such a genius?

These questions prove you don't understand the concept of an open system and augmented system and that there are 3 different systems working together: electrical, chemical, and mechanical. They don't mesh and relate to each other like you think they do. It's not apples to apples like you think it is.

If you read the studies from the university and government scientists you see that just small increase in oxygen (HHO from water has oxygen in it) has a big increase in fuel efficiency and power/TQ and that a lot of HHO can be produced at around 20 amps, so at what the battery can produce constantly 3-4 amps with .5 or 1 amp for the HHO it can produce enough to really make a big difference in the fuel economy and other characteristics of gas and diesel cars. It's all there in the studies from the scientists at the university and government level from around the world. No guessing anymore, I provided all the proof required. Now you just have to open your eyes and read it.
 
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Old 04-12-2021 | 08:05 PM
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Again, here are university and government scientific experiments and studies (with links) proving that HHO from water does effect the MPG (fuel efficiency) and power/torque and lowers pollution significantly of petroleum(gasoline) and diesel engines. I was able to find this in about 5-10 min of searching on the Internet. There are likely a lot more studies, experiments, and proofs of concept. All you have to do is read them.


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This experiment by the University of Engineering and Technology in Pakistan and the Alternative Fuel Research Laboratory in Turkey and the College of Engineering and Technology in Pakistan and the Government of Punjab (and others) looked at the effects of combining HHO and diesel fuel.

Oxyhydrogen is the same thing as HHO, in case you didn't know.

The study showed, among other things, that HHO had the following effects.

Oxyhydrogen enriched diesel gives significant increase in torque and power output.

https://www.sciencedirect.com/scienc...60319921010247



This study at the National Research Center in Egypt, Fayoum University, and Al Azhar University showed that around 1 liter per minute of HHO can be produced at around 14-20 amps. Car batteries can produce about 3-4 amps.

The production peak values for wet cell were 975, 1160, 1325 and 1375 ml/min at 5, 10, 15 and 20 g/L of NaOH and flow currents of 17.8, 23.5, 26 and 27 A and remains constant after 90 min.

https://www.sciencedirect.com/scienc...60319921002056


This study at Jyothi Engineering College in India showed that there was up to 30% decrease in fuel consumption (MPG) by using HHO in addition to less pollution.

A decrease in specific fuel consumption was observed which ranged from (20% to 30%) along with a decrease in CO and HC emissions on an average of 18%and 14%respectively.

https://www.sciencedirect.com/scienc...14785318329675

There are a lot more scientific studies going on around the world involving HHO and fuels, but I think that's enough for now.
 


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