Need Engine Help
#31
I would pull the wire from both injectors and get an ohm meter and put it on X10.
See if the injectors are at the same ohms reading.
yeah, if the wires were switched, you have that figured out.
Now just #8.
Don't mess with the head bolts.
You did a good job on those, so leave them alone.
See if the injectors are at the same ohms reading.
yeah, if the wires were switched, you have that figured out.
Now just #8.
Don't mess with the head bolts.
You did a good job on those, so leave them alone.
I was very tempted to check the torque on the head bolts and the valley. But I didn't. That's why I pulled the number 8 spark plug, honestly. It was not super clean and it was not wet, so I'm going to leave well enough alone. I did notice that, compared to the number 1 plug, it had the slightest sheen of oil on it... Probably valve guides. I'm not messing with that unless it progresses well beyond its current state. I swapped the 1 and 8 plugs and ran it for a short time and it threw the 8 code again. Then I pulled the 8 cylinder plug and it had no oil on it. Cylinder 1 had no problems with the original 8 plug. So it definitely isn't an abundance of oil.
Last edited by Charlie_V; 01-09-2014 at 01:13 AM.
#32
From the Rave page 406: Faults for each injector are stored in the ECM and can be retrieved using TestBook. Each injector can be checked
across the two connector pins. For a correctly functioning injector a resistance of between 13.8 and 15.2 ohms at a
temperature of 20°C (65°F) should be read across the pins.
across the two connector pins. For a correctly functioning injector a resistance of between 13.8 and 15.2 ohms at a
temperature of 20°C (65°F) should be read across the pins.
#33
From the Rave page 406: Faults for each injector are stored in the ECM and can be retrieved using TestBook. Each injector can be checked
across the two connector pins. For a correctly functioning injector a resistance of between 13.8 and 15.2 ohms at a
temperature of 20°C (65°F) should be read across the pins.
across the two connector pins. For a correctly functioning injector a resistance of between 13.8 and 15.2 ohms at a
temperature of 20°C (65°F) should be read across the pins.
Thanks Jared!
#35
Okay I am sure it is wiring. I tested each of my injectors and wires, then simply put the manifold back on, hooked everything up, and drove away. All I had done was move the wires. No misfires, no codes. I had a lingering problem at the foremost vacuum hose on the intake, so I put some duct tape on it (the real kind, with foil), just to see how that would help, and my engine sprang completely back to life.
Now, I dropped a few of those little metal clips--quite a few--and ran out before clipping my drive side coil connector on, so I decided to search the driveway for clips. I messed with it a bit and got the clip on. Just to be sure everything was good, I took another drive and suddenly my driver side O2 sensors weren't being recognized. I hadn't touched them but I had touched the main wiring loom that the coils, injectors, and oxygen sensors attach to. I wiggled it some more and they came back to life.
So, for posterity, be very careful with your wires on an older engine. I will be shopping for new wiring and that little connector with the red plastic ring, and doing a smoke test, tomorrow and be miserable all weekend putting the wiring in. Once that is done I am going to watch the data stream and get real nit picky about the values. Then I'm ordering my om617 adapter ring from Sweden and I'll have a whole new set of problems, but one of them will not be computer codes (from the engine, anyway).
Thanks for all of the help folks! Got me back on the road!
Best,
Charlie V
Now, I dropped a few of those little metal clips--quite a few--and ran out before clipping my drive side coil connector on, so I decided to search the driveway for clips. I messed with it a bit and got the clip on. Just to be sure everything was good, I took another drive and suddenly my driver side O2 sensors weren't being recognized. I hadn't touched them but I had touched the main wiring loom that the coils, injectors, and oxygen sensors attach to. I wiggled it some more and they came back to life.
So, for posterity, be very careful with your wires on an older engine. I will be shopping for new wiring and that little connector with the red plastic ring, and doing a smoke test, tomorrow and be miserable all weekend putting the wiring in. Once that is done I am going to watch the data stream and get real nit picky about the values. Then I'm ordering my om617 adapter ring from Sweden and I'll have a whole new set of problems, but one of them will not be computer codes (from the engine, anyway).
Thanks for all of the help folks! Got me back on the road!
Best,
Charlie V
Last edited by Charlie_V; 01-09-2014 at 11:54 PM.
#36
From the Rave page 406: Faults for each injector are stored in the ECM and can be retrieved using TestBook. Each injector can be checked
across the two connector pins. For a correctly functioning injector a resistance of between 13.8 and 15.2 ohms at a
temperature of 20°C (65°F) should be read across the pins.
across the two connector pins. For a correctly functioning injector a resistance of between 13.8 and 15.2 ohms at a
temperature of 20°C (65°F) should be read across the pins.
#37
Okay I am sure it is wiring. I tested each of my injectors and wires, then simply put the manifold back on, hooked everything up, and drove away. All I had done was move the wires. No misfires, no codes. I had a lingering problem at the foremost vacuum hose on the intake, so I put some duct tape on it (the real kind, with foil), just to see how that would help, and my engine sprang completely back to life.
Now, I dropped a few of those little metal clips--quite a few--and ran out before clipping my drive side coil connector on, so I decided to search the driveway for clips. I messed with it a bit and got the clip on. Just to be sure everything was good, I took another drive and suddenly my driver side O2 sensors weren't being recognized. I hadn't touched them but I had touched the main wiring loom that the coils, injectors, and oxygen sensors attach to. I wiggled it some more and they came back to life.
So, for posterity, be very careful with your wires on an older engine. I will be shopping for new wiring and that little connector with the red plastic ring, and doing a smoke test, tomorrow and be miserable all weekend putting the wiring in. Once that is done I am going to watch the data stream and get real nit picky about the values. Then I'm ordering my om617 adapter ring from Sweden and I'll have a whole new set of problems, but one of them will not be computer codes (from the engine, anyway).
Thanks for all of the help folks! Got me back on the road!
Best,
Charlie V
Now, I dropped a few of those little metal clips--quite a few--and ran out before clipping my drive side coil connector on, so I decided to search the driveway for clips. I messed with it a bit and got the clip on. Just to be sure everything was good, I took another drive and suddenly my driver side O2 sensors weren't being recognized. I hadn't touched them but I had touched the main wiring loom that the coils, injectors, and oxygen sensors attach to. I wiggled it some more and they came back to life.
So, for posterity, be very careful with your wires on an older engine. I will be shopping for new wiring and that little connector with the red plastic ring, and doing a smoke test, tomorrow and be miserable all weekend putting the wiring in. Once that is done I am going to watch the data stream and get real nit picky about the values. Then I'm ordering my om617 adapter ring from Sweden and I'll have a whole new set of problems, but one of them will not be computer codes (from the engine, anyway).
Thanks for all of the help folks! Got me back on the road!
Best,
Charlie V
Another late night I see. Good to hear you got it running. When you said it worked when you wiggled the harness, it really makes me think that you might have a ground wire loose. Check all of the ground connections and you might want to scrape the surface where they connect to make sure they have a good ground.
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#38
I really need to learn how to save certain pages from the RAVE so I can post them. LOL... Anyway, Check out page 1415 and go down to step 15. Check the ground cable that the picture shows. Make sure the ground surface is clean, the nut is tight and the wire looks good.
(15. Remove nut securing engine harness earth to
body and disconnect engine harness to main
harness multiplug.)
(15. Remove nut securing engine harness earth to
body and disconnect engine harness to main
harness multiplug.)
#39
I really need to learn how to save certain pages from the RAVE so I can post them. LOL... Anyway, Check out page 1415 and go down to step 15. Check the ground cable that the picture shows. Make sure the ground surface is clean, the nut is tight and the wire looks good.
(15. Remove nut securing engine harness earth to
body and disconnect engine harness to main
harness multiplug.)
(15. Remove nut securing engine harness earth to
body and disconnect engine harness to main
harness multiplug.)
#40
Well the fun never ends. Had a nice drive out of town this morning at 70MPH and took twice as long to get back with misfires on 1,3,5 and 7 at 35 mph and below. I stopped, in my SUIT, and crawled on the hot, running engine to be sure that the driver coil was hooked up (it was... and when I pulled it off the engine really got unhappy), then heard the familiar sound of a rattle under the truck, beneath the driver seat. I've heard that before on another vehicle and I think it is precious metals bouncing around in a tin can. Careful, further examination reveals that it is coming from the driver side catalytic converter. I guess all of the trouble I have had with misfires, 123,000 miles of driving, and leaking HGs finally clogged it/them up.
It is a money pit, but it is my money pit. Plan is to remove the pre-cat 02 sensors and take a quick turn around the block just to confirm that it is the cat. The temptation is to remove the crossmember, drop the Y pipe, remove the cats and put some flexible pipe in its place, soak the cats in sea foam for a few days then blow them out, space the rear O2s off the bung, and focus on the object of my desire: the OM617 that is sitting my garage.
O2 heaters are throwing a code after 40 miles of driving: all of them (the new ones), so a ground fault is strongly suspected. I have no idea where to look for that. The white wires on the O2s are the heater wires, if memory serves, but I don't know where they go to ground. Have to figure that one out. Any suggestions?
It is a money pit, but it is my money pit. Plan is to remove the pre-cat 02 sensors and take a quick turn around the block just to confirm that it is the cat. The temptation is to remove the crossmember, drop the Y pipe, remove the cats and put some flexible pipe in its place, soak the cats in sea foam for a few days then blow them out, space the rear O2s off the bung, and focus on the object of my desire: the OM617 that is sitting my garage.
O2 heaters are throwing a code after 40 miles of driving: all of them (the new ones), so a ground fault is strongly suspected. I have no idea where to look for that. The white wires on the O2s are the heater wires, if memory serves, but I don't know where they go to ground. Have to figure that one out. Any suggestions?
Last edited by Charlie_V; 01-10-2014 at 10:24 AM.