Next Project on the D2: Cooling System
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Watch this video and the part where he explains the D2 cooling system. It might change your mind. https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=iLv0tofKfeE&lc=
LR designed these engines to run too hot - in order to pass emissions - but the engine/gaskets/etc were not made to withstand such heat. Give it one head gasket job then you'll be rethinking.
To make things worse, Dex-Cool causes overheating as well. Here is a class action lawsuit where GM was ordered to pay customers because of the product: https://www.classlawgroup.com/dexcool/
You can also google "dexcool sludge".
LR designed these engines to run too hot - in order to pass emissions - but the engine/gaskets/etc were not made to withstand such heat. Give it one head gasket job then you'll be rethinking.
To make things worse, Dex-Cool causes overheating as well. Here is a class action lawsuit where GM was ordered to pay customers because of the product: https://www.classlawgroup.com/dexcool/
You can also google "dexcool sludge".
I’m very confident that the Dexcool formulation you can purchase now is not the same formula that is in the lawsuit you cited. I did a bunch of Googling on it a while back and it seems like any Dexcool purchased 2010 or so will certainly not cause the same issues.
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This is going to be an unpopular post... but I don't believe in the inline thermostat mod. I have 2 D2's (that I'm looking at in the driveway as I type). Both with the original LR radiator and stock cooling fan and clutch (which is relatively new). Both using orange Dexcool that is changed every 2 years and vacuum filled so no air bubbles. One D2 has 112K on it, the other D2 has 40K miles on it.
Both run 190-194-200 temps with the 180 degree (grey) Genuine LR thermostat as measured with ultraguage. Last summer I did see 212 degrees on one of them when it was 118 degrees outside here and I was stuck in traffic. But that's fine. Anyway, I just do *not* see any need to modify for a new thermostat... I think it covers up other cooling system issues like a marginal radiator, air in the system or marginal water pumps. Besides the inline rips up the hood pad.
Now the PCV mod.. big believer!
Both run 190-194-200 temps with the 180 degree (grey) Genuine LR thermostat as measured with ultraguage. Last summer I did see 212 degrees on one of them when it was 118 degrees outside here and I was stuck in traffic. But that's fine. Anyway, I just do *not* see any need to modify for a new thermostat... I think it covers up other cooling system issues like a marginal radiator, air in the system or marginal water pumps. Besides the inline rips up the hood pad.
Now the PCV mod.. big believer!
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Richard Gallant (08-18-2022)
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Just waiting on the GlowShift inline hose attachment to add the 1/8 npt drain and all the parts will be here.
Question: When I remove the lower hose(s) with the factory thermostat, how much coolant is going to spill out? All of it? I need to know how much Prestone to buy. Thanks
Question: When I remove the lower hose(s) with the factory thermostat, how much coolant is going to spill out? All of it? I need to know how much Prestone to buy. Thanks
If you already have green coolant in there you can reuse it if the tray is clean. If you have the orange dexcool, dump it all, flush the system real good, multiple rounds until clear, and swap over to green.
EDIT: 4 jugs of 50:50 Peak Green. 3 for filling. 1 for later and top up
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With my inline kit from @Extinct there is no bleeder. The instructions were to just rev it to 2000 or so for a little bit. I'm not sure why that forces the air out in a way it wouldn't for the stock setup, so you might not even have to worry about "bleeding" the system anymore.
Coolant temp less than inline tstat causes coolant to recirc through the heater core. Pressure builds on the closed tstat and because its the high point as it opens when the temp approaches the set point the pressure (air or coolant) relieves through the wider inner diameter of the coolant elbow reallocating the flow from the recirculating heater core loop to the main coolant loop.
The tstat because it is temperature dependant opens to relieve any excess pressure before excess pressure is built up. It almost behaves as a pressure relief valve relieving excessive pressure as the temperature fluctuates. It’s extremely predictable almost like a feedback loop. Engine on, recirculates through the heater core, pressure builds, coolant temp rises, t stat opens, pressure relief allocates recirculating coolant to the radiator through the opening of the tstat allowing thermal and pressure equilibrium post tstat.
Important tidbit in my opinion. This is why it is extremely important to utilize the tstat provided by Extinct with the precision drilled hole and to understand current operating temperatures of your truck and the outside temperature. Don’t try to drill your own hole. Just buy a backup from Extinct and always keep it in the truck. You slap a tstat with no hole the system it may run the risk of heating up excessively and the opening of the tstat requiring the system to overcome a higher temperature differential. The hole is there to allow for reduction of the pressure differential I believe. No hole, more the tstat is getting dead headed (generating more heat quickly) and excess pressure to the heater core loop and ultimately the entire cooling system. An appropriately maintain clean cooling system seems to control the temp immediately upon opening. My 180 stat starts opening at 180 and gets to 194 and immediately controls the temp at 181 in my city commute.
Get the appropriate temp tstat for your region, and ensure you have a backup so you dont have to wait for delivery and be tempted to go procure an alternative untested tstat.
Was just in the Moab Zion area last week with with 100F outside temps. With an liquid tight coolant system driving highway desert I was at max 208 driving too fast traversing hills in 3rd gear. When it was really strained in 2nd going up hills the AC condenser Fan kicked on and controlled the temp at 212. It was 104 outside. Didn’t fluctuate, controlled the temp, and performed incredibly. Before the inline mod previously I was at 210 on the highways of Wisconsin in mild mild weather.
Only observed cooling issue came from loss of pressure to the cooling system from the bolts securing the improved version 2 Carrs4x4 sight glass. After driving 1500 miles the bolts loosened and as a result the pressure didn’t build appropriately and as I mentioned previously, the optimized pressure differential from the tstat was not operating properly and my assumption was the flow of coolant within the cooling system was reduced and thus reduced cooling capacity of the system. Tightened the bolts up and back to normal operating temps and pressure. Hell, going down hill coasting in 104 outside the coolant temp closed the tstat and bypassed the tstat all together and ran at 165ish.
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greisinb (09-06-2022)
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Off topic, but I want pics of your interior.
On the in line deal, I didn’t do it, but fully support it for all the reasons everyone else has mentioned. One thing I’ll add: the OEM design was to allow for the heater (HVAC) to start working sooner so you wouldn’t have to wait as long for the coolant going to the heater core to warm up by bypassing the radiator until the thermostat opened. Neat, but dumb. The in line setup just makes it way more simple and easy to live with.
And for the record, Dexcool is the nectar of Satan.
On the in line deal, I didn’t do it, but fully support it for all the reasons everyone else has mentioned. One thing I’ll add: the OEM design was to allow for the heater (HVAC) to start working sooner so you wouldn’t have to wait as long for the coolant going to the heater core to warm up by bypassing the radiator until the thermostat opened. Neat, but dumb. The in line setup just makes it way more simple and easy to live with.
And for the record, Dexcool is the nectar of Satan.