No Crank
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No Crank
my latest project... 04 S 120k
Found it with the battery completely dead, threw a charger on it and let it sit for a while... Got the standard flashing M & S lights (even with the car on a charger?) I got the car to do the starter solenoid click click click like the battery was dead so I waited a bit longer. Now I get nothing when I turn the key. Tried it in park and neutral. No blown fuses under the hood. Tapped the starter with a hammer and no difference. The security light is not on or flashing. Anything else electronic to check before pulling the starter out?
Found it with the battery completely dead, threw a charger on it and let it sit for a while... Got the standard flashing M & S lights (even with the car on a charger?) I got the car to do the starter solenoid click click click like the battery was dead so I waited a bit longer. Now I get nothing when I turn the key. Tried it in park and neutral. No blown fuses under the hood. Tapped the starter with a hammer and no difference. The security light is not on or flashing. Anything else electronic to check before pulling the starter out?
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It takes about 10 minutes of sitting with a good battery, sometimes, for the IDM, ECM, and BCU to all finish talking to each other.
I'd let it be for half an hour after charging the battery, come back and unlock the door and try again.
If you still don't get anything, before pulling the starter, see if you get power to the solenoid when you turn the key. If not, there is something else other than the starter having problems.
I'd let it be for half an hour after charging the battery, come back and unlock the door and try again.
If you still don't get anything, before pulling the starter, see if you get power to the solenoid when you turn the key. If not, there is something else other than the starter having problems.
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Also, the M&S lights are for an automatic transmission error of some sort. It could be the XYZ switch won't let you crank because it doesn't think you are in park or neutral. Does the indicator on the dash show you are in the correct gear? I've also seen the M&S lights with BCU problems or just the wiring not plugged in snugly. I guess the XYZ signal must go through the BCU connector?
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Locked it last night, just unlocked it this morning, turn the key and get no starter click. The rest of the truck has full power, dash gear indicator is in line with the shifter (ie park says P neutral says N) M & S still flashing as I expected.
Alt to battery ground is good, battery to body is good and braided strap from the D/S head to firewall is good.
The fact that it attempted to turn over before is what has me confused (or in denial that I need a new starter). Last thing to check is power at the solenoid I guess...
Alt to battery ground is good, battery to body is good and braided strap from the D/S head to firewall is good.
The fact that it attempted to turn over before is what has me confused (or in denial that I need a new starter). Last thing to check is power at the solenoid I guess...
Last edited by vette427sbc; 09-18-2014 at 08:28 AM.
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Flashing M&S can be triggered by a low battery/loose connection. I had that problem and charged the battery and cleaned all connections and went away. My battery was low due to sitting for several months while I was working on the engine but, it's old anyway and if it comes back I will buy a new battery.
I see you have tried all of that so, may not be your problem?
Try switching the key on and off several times to see if the flashing M&S stops.
Also have you tested your starter manually from underneath with jumper cables?
I see you have tried all of that so, may not be your problem?
Try switching the key on and off several times to see if the flashing M&S stops.
Also have you tested your starter manually from underneath with jumper cables?
Last edited by RicketyTick; 09-18-2014 at 09:46 AM.
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I would do that 1st and/or hook up one of these remote start switches to that is part of a compression tester kit. Problems like this are sometimes easier work backwards on....is the starter good? If so, is the solenoid good? and so on until you find the problem.
Also, does the inertia switch cut power the starter on a Disco or just the fuel pump? That's an easy one so maybe check that too. It's on the firewall.