Previous owner said motor was blown but it Isnt. Whats this deep ticking noise?
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Mudding
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From: Knoxville Tennessee
Previous owner said motor was blown but it Isnt. Whats this deep ticking noise?
The $1500 rover engine isn't blown after all.
Hey guys. Maybe a bit hard to tell. It sounds like a rocker arm hitting and ticking, but in person is much, much deeper. I'm thinking crankshaft bearing? Does anyone know any ideas? I cant find if THIS SPECIFIC problem is regular. I know these engines are unreliable, and need some tinkering, which I can do. I have fresh oil, with oil additives, and seafoam, as well as seafoam you can spray in the air intake to clean the engine. I've seen where project farm did this, and it basically deleted or fully removed his ticking sound. Although it wasn't a POS rover motor, could that still work? Any tips or suggestions? Should I just change the oil, add additives ( reason I say that is because I know these oil pumps are weak and these motors are low oil pressure motors ) to help get oil up into the top of the motor, and see if that helps?
If I have to pull it I may as well LS swap it, unless there are also good rebuild kits for them now that hold up. Anyways, what's this sound? Any ideas for you knowledgeable rover goers.
Hey guys. Maybe a bit hard to tell. It sounds like a rocker arm hitting and ticking, but in person is much, much deeper. I'm thinking crankshaft bearing? Does anyone know any ideas? I cant find if THIS SPECIFIC problem is regular. I know these engines are unreliable, and need some tinkering, which I can do. I have fresh oil, with oil additives, and seafoam, as well as seafoam you can spray in the air intake to clean the engine. I've seen where project farm did this, and it basically deleted or fully removed his ticking sound. Although it wasn't a POS rover motor, could that still work? Any tips or suggestions? Should I just change the oil, add additives ( reason I say that is because I know these oil pumps are weak and these motors are low oil pressure motors ) to help get oil up into the top of the motor, and see if that helps?
If I have to pull it I may as well LS swap it, unless there are also good rebuild kits for them now that hold up. Anyways, what's this sound? Any ideas for you knowledgeable rover goers.
Camel Trophy
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@MasonJ Well that is pretty vague, but your coolant bottle is empty not a good sign.
Next up I would suggest you sell it -starting with these engines are unreliable POS and need tinkering is not a good head space to start from. These are regularly turbocharged or supercharged and used as race engines even the 4.6L, in the UK so not a POS.
But if you are keeping it make a decision now spend 10,000 on an LS swap or stay with the Rover V8.
If you want to stay with V8 you need to learn engine diagnostics, that is not toss a bunch a crap in and hope for the best on any engine.
The tick sounds like lifters but it could be more serious, you have an empty coolant bottle as far as I could see that could be cracked block, bad head gasket or something else.
The only way to diagnose it is to stop running it and tear into it, but you need to get your oil pressure 1st if you can that will tell you loads.
Check your exhaust for leaks at the Y -pipe connections,manifold to heads and for cracking in the manifold or Y pipe sounds just like lifters
If you can not get the oil pressure then start at the top and tear it down, you can check the rockers and lifters once you get the valve covers off.
If they are good drop the pan - capture the oil and run it through coffee filter after to check for metal debris - white works best. See if coolant comes out with the oil.
Then you can check the bottom end for damage, you will have drop a bearing cap and at least one connecting rod end.
You can also check if the camshaft has moved from there.
If you are still good then you are pulling the heads
Next up I would suggest you sell it -starting with these engines are unreliable POS and need tinkering is not a good head space to start from. These are regularly turbocharged or supercharged and used as race engines even the 4.6L, in the UK so not a POS.
But if you are keeping it make a decision now spend 10,000 on an LS swap or stay with the Rover V8.
If you want to stay with V8 you need to learn engine diagnostics, that is not toss a bunch a crap in and hope for the best on any engine.
The tick sounds like lifters but it could be more serious, you have an empty coolant bottle as far as I could see that could be cracked block, bad head gasket or something else.
The only way to diagnose it is to stop running it and tear into it, but you need to get your oil pressure 1st if you can that will tell you loads.
Check your exhaust for leaks at the Y -pipe connections,manifold to heads and for cracking in the manifold or Y pipe sounds just like lifters
If you can not get the oil pressure then start at the top and tear it down, you can check the rockers and lifters once you get the valve covers off.
If they are good drop the pan - capture the oil and run it through coffee filter after to check for metal debris - white works best. See if coolant comes out with the oil.
Then you can check the bottom end for damage, you will have drop a bearing cap and at least one connecting rod end.
You can also check if the camshaft has moved from there.
If you are still good then you are pulling the heads
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Mudding
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@MasonJ Well that is pretty vague, but your coolant bottle is empty not a good sign.
Next up I would suggest you sell it -starting with these engines are unreliable POS and need tinkering is not a good head space to start from. These are regularly turbocharged or supercharged and used as race engines even the 4.6L, in the UK so not a POS.
But if you are keeping it make a decision now spend 10,000 on an LS swap or stay with the Rover V8.
If you want to stay with V8 you need to learn engine diagnostics, that is not toss a bunch a crap in and hope for the best on any engine.
The tick sounds like lifters but it could be more serious, you have an empty coolant bottle as far as I could see that could be cracked block, bad head gasket or something else.
The only way to diagnose it is to stop running it and tear into it, but you need to get your oil pressure 1st if you can that will tell you loads.
Check your exhaust for leaks at the Y -pipe connections,manifold to heads and for cracking in the manifold or Y pipe sounds just like lifters
If you can not get the oil pressure then start at the top and tear it down, you can check the rockers and lifters once you get the valve covers off.
If they are good drop the pan - capture the oil and run it through coffee filter after to check for metal debris - white works best. See if coolant comes out with the oil.
Then you can check the bottom end for damage, you will have drop a bearing cap and at least one connecting rod end.
You can also check if the camshaft has moved from there.
If you are still good then you are pulling the heads
Next up I would suggest you sell it -starting with these engines are unreliable POS and need tinkering is not a good head space to start from. These are regularly turbocharged or supercharged and used as race engines even the 4.6L, in the UK so not a POS.
But if you are keeping it make a decision now spend 10,000 on an LS swap or stay with the Rover V8.
If you want to stay with V8 you need to learn engine diagnostics, that is not toss a bunch a crap in and hope for the best on any engine.
The tick sounds like lifters but it could be more serious, you have an empty coolant bottle as far as I could see that could be cracked block, bad head gasket or something else.
The only way to diagnose it is to stop running it and tear into it, but you need to get your oil pressure 1st if you can that will tell you loads.
Check your exhaust for leaks at the Y -pipe connections,manifold to heads and for cracking in the manifold or Y pipe sounds just like lifters
If you can not get the oil pressure then start at the top and tear it down, you can check the rockers and lifters once you get the valve covers off.
If they are good drop the pan - capture the oil and run it through coffee filter after to check for metal debris - white works best. See if coolant comes out with the oil.
Then you can check the bottom end for damage, you will have drop a bearing cap and at least one connecting rod end.
You can also check if the camshaft has moved from there.
If you are still good then you are pulling the heads
Thanks guys!
Camel Trophy
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@MasonJ no they are not by any means the worst engines ever made you really need to do some proper research. Properly maintained they are an excellent lightweight V8, here is pretty straight forward read about the good and bad https://www.autoexpress.co.uk/land-r...8-last-forever. They are however not a modern V8, they are tuned for torque not speed, and remember at this point any of them is at least 20 years old.
Three Wheeling
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Things I can think that "Could Be":
1. Lifters (already said)
2. Piston slap (cylinder slightly worn and piston is moving around in the cylinder)
3. Slipped liner (this is where I'm at aka...my best guess....it sounds just like my 03 rover did...head gasket went, did a head gasket job, new one lasted about 10K miles and motor toasted...I didn't know to check the gasket for signs of the liner beating it to death the 1st go round)
4. Loose/worn out rod bearing (not as likely, they tend to go in dramatic fashion, but still possible)
Sadly I donlt think any options are a very good option....I feel your pain, as I have been there before.
1. Lifters (already said)
2. Piston slap (cylinder slightly worn and piston is moving around in the cylinder)
3. Slipped liner (this is where I'm at aka...my best guess....it sounds just like my 03 rover did...head gasket went, did a head gasket job, new one lasted about 10K miles and motor toasted...I didn't know to check the gasket for signs of the liner beating it to death the 1st go round)
4. Loose/worn out rod bearing (not as likely, they tend to go in dramatic fashion, but still possible)
Sadly I donlt think any options are a very good option....I feel your pain, as I have been there before.
Mudding
Joined: Feb 2022
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Rover V8 worst engine ever....LOL
Off the top of my head, just cars I have owned.
My 5.7L GM diesel from the 80's would like a word or two.
As would the 4.8L in my X5, which is currently parked with a massive oil leak from the oil thermostat gasket. And when I say massive, it pumps out about 1 qt every 3-4 minutes. Gotta be on top your gauge cluster. Oh, and this is after it was parked for several months til I had time to replace basically every cooling system component outside the engine and one inside the engine (valley pan tube).
My VW TDI ate a turbo at 99K miles.
My Toyota Sienna with the 3MZ-FE had amazing sludge and was doing mosquito abatement at startup with burning oil by 80K miles. I know it had regular oil changes cause I did them every 3K miles.
And who can forget my 6.0L Powerstroke that left me dead in the driveway three times in less than 3 years. I loved my excursion and still miss it, but that engine. The first two times the FICM and Injectors were on Ford, but the third time I got to eat the bill.
And those are just cars I have owned. I gotta think there would be a very long list of engines ahead of the Rover V8 for "worst engine in that last 75 years".
Off the top of my head, just cars I have owned.
My 5.7L GM diesel from the 80's would like a word or two.
As would the 4.8L in my X5, which is currently parked with a massive oil leak from the oil thermostat gasket. And when I say massive, it pumps out about 1 qt every 3-4 minutes. Gotta be on top your gauge cluster. Oh, and this is after it was parked for several months til I had time to replace basically every cooling system component outside the engine and one inside the engine (valley pan tube).
My VW TDI ate a turbo at 99K miles.
My Toyota Sienna with the 3MZ-FE had amazing sludge and was doing mosquito abatement at startup with burning oil by 80K miles. I know it had regular oil changes cause I did them every 3K miles.
And who can forget my 6.0L Powerstroke that left me dead in the driveway three times in less than 3 years. I loved my excursion and still miss it, but that engine. The first two times the FICM and Injectors were on Ford, but the third time I got to eat the bill.
And those are just cars I have owned. I gotta think there would be a very long list of engines ahead of the Rover V8 for "worst engine in that last 75 years".
I think the Freelander V6 had a 100% failure rate due to a cam oiling issue. The 4.4 BMW V8 M62 either gets a 40hr timing chain job between 100k and 200k or becomes a useless piece of scrap metal. Ford mod motors wore out the cylinder walls due to an extreme rod angle. The 5.0 LR engine also is known for spectacularly failing without warning. The V8 in the XC90 rust the countershaft bearings resulting in catastrophic failure if you wash the engine. And on it goes...
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Mudding
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I think the Freelander V6 had a 100% failure rate due to a cam oiling issue. The 4.4 BMW V8 M62 either gets a 40hr timing chain job between 100k and 200k or becomes a useless piece of scrap metal. Ford mod motors wore out the cylinder walls due to an extreme rod angle. The 5.0 LR engine also is known for spectacularly failing without warning. The V8 in the XC90 rust the countershaft bearings resulting in catastrophic failure if you wash the engine. And on it goes...
Rover V8 worst engine ever....LOL
Off the top of my head, just cars I have owned.
My 5.7L GM diesel from the 80's would like a word or two.
As would the 4.8L in my X5, which is currently parked with a massive oil leak from the oil thermostat gasket. And when I say massive, it pumps out about 1 qt every 3-4 minutes. Gotta be on top your gauge cluster. Oh, and this is after it was parked for several months til I had time to replace basically every cooling system component outside the engine and one inside the engine (valley pan tube).
My VW TDI ate a turbo at 99K miles.
My Toyota Sienna with the 3MZ-FE had amazing sludge and was doing mosquito abatement at startup with burning oil by 80K miles. I know it had regular oil changes cause I did them every 3K miles.
And who can forget my 6.0L Powerstroke that left me dead in the driveway three times in less than 3 years. I loved my excursion and still miss it, but that engine. The first two times the FICM and Injectors were on Ford, but the third time I got to eat the bill.
And those are just cars I have owned. I gotta think there would be a very long list of engines ahead of the Rover V8 for "worst engine in that last 75 years".
Off the top of my head, just cars I have owned.
My 5.7L GM diesel from the 80's would like a word or two.
As would the 4.8L in my X5, which is currently parked with a massive oil leak from the oil thermostat gasket. And when I say massive, it pumps out about 1 qt every 3-4 minutes. Gotta be on top your gauge cluster. Oh, and this is after it was parked for several months til I had time to replace basically every cooling system component outside the engine and one inside the engine (valley pan tube).
My VW TDI ate a turbo at 99K miles.
My Toyota Sienna with the 3MZ-FE had amazing sludge and was doing mosquito abatement at startup with burning oil by 80K miles. I know it had regular oil changes cause I did them every 3K miles.
And who can forget my 6.0L Powerstroke that left me dead in the driveway three times in less than 3 years. I loved my excursion and still miss it, but that engine. The first two times the FICM and Injectors were on Ford, but the third time I got to eat the bill.
And those are just cars I have owned. I gotta think there would be a very long list of engines ahead of the Rover V8 for "worst engine in that last 75 years".
Things I can think that "Could Be":
1. Lifters (already said)
2. Piston slap (cylinder slightly worn and piston is moving around in the cylinder)
3. Slipped liner (this is where I'm at aka...my best guess....it sounds just like my 03 rover did...head gasket went, did a head gasket job, new one lasted about 10K miles and motor toasted...I didn't know to check the gasket for signs of the liner beating it to death the 1st go round)
4. Loose/worn out rod bearing (not as likely, they tend to go in dramatic fashion, but still possible)
Sadly I donlt think any options are a very good option....I feel your pain, as I have been there before.
1. Lifters (already said)
2. Piston slap (cylinder slightly worn and piston is moving around in the cylinder)
3. Slipped liner (this is where I'm at aka...my best guess....it sounds just like my 03 rover did...head gasket went, did a head gasket job, new one lasted about 10K miles and motor toasted...I didn't know to check the gasket for signs of the liner beating it to death the 1st go round)
4. Loose/worn out rod bearing (not as likely, they tend to go in dramatic fashion, but still possible)
Sadly I donlt think any options are a very good option....I feel your pain, as I have been there before.
@MasonJ no they are not by any means the worst engines ever made you really need to do some proper research. Properly maintained they are an excellent lightweight V8, here is pretty straight forward read about the good and bad https://www.autoexpress.co.uk/land-r...8-last-forever. They are however not a modern V8, they are tuned for torque not speed, and remember at this point any of them is at least 20 years old.
I love tinkering tho. So I’m gonna love the rover. Took it on her maiden voyage tonight! She ran fine!
Last edited by MasonJ; Dec 19, 2023 at 08:42 PM.