Redesigned Oil Pump for '03 Disco
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Redesigned Oil Pump for '03 Disco
Does anyone know for certain if LR redesigned the weak '03 oil pumps?
After doing a search on here I found this post: https://landroverforums.com/m_28994/tm.htm
The implications are that simply replacing the oil pump is not enough...you have to get a new engine!!
Did they redesign parts of the timing cover and engine block too?
After doing a search on here I found this post: https://landroverforums.com/m_28994/tm.htm
The implications are that simply replacing the oil pump is not enough...you have to get a new engine!!
Did they redesign parts of the timing cover and engine block too?
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RE: Redesigned Oil Pump for '03 Disco
Well, if you keep pushing the truck past the point of pump failure you're going to ruin the engine, THEN you'll have to replace the engine. Otherwise, if you just want to replace it for general purposes on an '03, you put a new one on and you're done with it.
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RE: Redesigned Oil Pump for '03 Disco
I talked with a Rover mechanic at Land Rover North Scottsdale today while picking up some parts for my brake job. I asked him about that fact that on the '03 models the oil pumps seemed to fail quite often and usually resulted in a new engine. He said that when Rover was manufacturing the engines at the very start of that model year, when machining the front engine cover (where the oil pump is integrated is my understanding?), the specs were off by a couple hundreths of an inch. This caused more stress to the brearings on the oil pump and thus caused a high likelyhood of failure. The only real solution is a new engine without this flaw. So in other words, the posts that you found are accurate.
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The door pillar plate on my '03 indicates April 3rd 2003 as the date of manufacture, the engine was probably manufactured before that date. I guess I'll have to ask a Service Manager at the dealership to run my VIN# to see if it has one of the defective engines.
If what Belaou's mechanic say's is true, maybe it's time to start calling a spade a spade; it's not so much a defective oil pump as a defective engine, as that's what we'll need to rectify the problem.
If what Belaou's mechanic say's is true, maybe it's time to start calling a spade a spade; it's not so much a defective oil pump as a defective engine, as that's what we'll need to rectify the problem.
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What's even more alarming is that Tigermax's Disco is an '04. If they supposedly discovered the problem in early '03 and rectified it, why are the defective engines showing up in '04 models? Were LR execs unethical to the point of defraying losses by knowingly unloading flawed engines, hoping that they would hold together long enough to outlast the warranty, where they then become free of any liability?
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RE: Redesigned Oil Pump for '03 Disco
First, they were not flawed engines, if so that is what we would have been talking about, it was an oil pump issue no more no less. If you were to check with Rover, there is a super ceded oil pump replacing the original.
Second, the build date on your door panel is the exact date of your trucks production, not someother day that Rover is hiding from you.
By your production date, your 03 should have been built with the newly designed pump, so I would go building up all sorts of storys against Rover as to a conspiracy, I mean as a retired service manager, that is one of the funnier stories I have heard.
As for some ones 04 having an oil pressure issue, guess what, everything that is mechanical is prone to failing, it is just the nature of the beast.
Second, the build date on your door panel is the exact date of your trucks production, not someother day that Rover is hiding from you.
By your production date, your 03 should have been built with the newly designed pump, so I would go building up all sorts of storys against Rover as to a conspiracy, I mean as a retired service manager, that is one of the funnier stories I have heard.
As for some ones 04 having an oil pressure issue, guess what, everything that is mechanical is prone to failing, it is just the nature of the beast.
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ORIGINAL: Disco Mike
First, they were not flawed engines, if so that is what we would have been talking about, it was an oil pump issue no more no less. If you were to check with Rover, there is a super ceded oil pump replacing the original.
Second, the build date on your door panel is the exact date of your trucks production, not someother day that Rover is hiding from you.
By your production date, your 03 should have been built with the newly designed pump, so I would go building up all sorts of storys against Rover as to a conspiracy, I mean as a retired service manager, that is one of the funnier stories I have heard.
As for some ones 04 having an oil pressure issue, guess what, everything that is mechanical is prone to failing, it is just the nature of the beast.
First, they were not flawed engines, if so that is what we would have been talking about, it was an oil pump issue no more no less. If you were to check with Rover, there is a super ceded oil pump replacing the original.
Second, the build date on your door panel is the exact date of your trucks production, not someother day that Rover is hiding from you.
By your production date, your 03 should have been built with the newly designed pump, so I would go building up all sorts of storys against Rover as to a conspiracy, I mean as a retired service manager, that is one of the funnier stories I have heard.
As for some ones 04 having an oil pressure issue, guess what, everything that is mechanical is prone to failing, it is just the nature of the beast.
No disrespect here.Fonzie is not telling a story. My '04 Disco failed at 22,000 miles just a few months ago. The vehicle is cherry by any other stretch oftheimagination. NOsignals whatsoever that we had a problem.We were going up a canyon in Utah pulling a very light boat doing about 55 mph and theCEL came onand 10 or so seconds later the engine shutdown. we hadenough momentum to pull overand thatwas the end of it. Had ittowed and they replaced the engine with a brand new one. "Oil pump bearing failure due to poor design that would be rectifiedby the new engine block" according to the service manager. We picked it up 4 days later and took another trip. The CEL came on as we were coming out of the boat ramp and it started running rough. Called LR back in Salt Lake City and they said to shut it down and they would tow it. This time it was a rod that got bent because they did not put the engine together correctly. In the end, two weeks later, I got my Disco and it's been running like a top (knock on wood) since then. I went from Salt Lake to San Francisco and back with no issues. Hopefully, this did it. My summary is, there definitely was something wrong with the bearing design. The way the service manager made it sound, my new block does not have these issues, however, I remain cautious and will probably dump the thing as soon as it exceeds warranty coverage. I hate to do this because it is a fun vehicle, but I cannot afford to swap out an $8000 engine every 50k. if indeed the design is not perfect. BTW, LR was great thru all this. I did not spend a dime on it!
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RE: Redesigned Oil Pump for '03 Disco
Sounds like you had a string of issues you shouldn't have had to go thru.
I still stay in touch with Rover thru a friend at one of the zone offices, for all intents and purposes, the 04 engine has been near flawless as per engine failures.
To bad you had to go thru that but, I wouldn't be afraid of another failure.
By the way, no disrespect taken.
Take care,
I still stay in touch with Rover thru a friend at one of the zone offices, for all intents and purposes, the 04 engine has been near flawless as per engine failures.
To bad you had to go thru that but, I wouldn't be afraid of another failure.
By the way, no disrespect taken.
Take care,
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RE: Redesigned Oil Pump for '03 Disco
ORIGINAL: Disco Mike
First, they were not flawed engines, if so that is what we would have been talking about, it was an oil pump issue no more no less. If you were to check with Rover, there is a super ceded oil pump replacing the original.
Second, the build date on your door panel is the exact date of your trucks production, not someother day that Rover is hiding from you.
By your production date, your 03 should have been built with the newly designed pump, so I would go building up all sorts of storys against Rover as to a conspiracy, I mean as a retired service manager, that is one of the funnier stories I have heard.
As for some ones 04 having an oil pressure issue, guess what, everything that is mechanical is prone to failing, it is just the nature of the beast.
First, they were not flawed engines, if so that is what we would have been talking about, it was an oil pump issue no more no less. If you were to check with Rover, there is a super ceded oil pump replacing the original.
Second, the build date on your door panel is the exact date of your trucks production, not someother day that Rover is hiding from you.
By your production date, your 03 should have been built with the newly designed pump, so I would go building up all sorts of storys against Rover as to a conspiracy, I mean as a retired service manager, that is one of the funnier stories I have heard.
As for some ones 04 having an oil pressure issue, guess what, everything that is mechanical is prone to failing, it is just the nature of the beast.
I just spoke to the service manager. They are putting a new engine in it. He says the oil pump timing cover clearance issues have been resolved in the new enginesand I should not expect any further problems.[/align]
I talked with a Rover mechanic at Land Rover North Scottsdale today...He said that when Rover was manufacturing the engines at the very start of that model year, when machining the front engine cover (where the oil pump is integrated is my understanding?), the specs were off by a couple hundreths of an inch. This caused more stress to the brearings on the oil pump and thus caused a high likelyhood of failure.The only real solution is a new engine without this flaw[/align]
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RE: Redesigned Oil Pump for '03 Disco
Thanks forresponding to my pm Tigermax. Glad to hear that all is good on your 3rd engine!!! - It's also reassuring for those with LR warranties, to know that they will stand by thier ink.
As for me, my warranty expired right after the previous owner returned it to the leasing bank last June. So now my only option is to try and get awater-tight extended warranty. I'm talking with my LR dealer about that right now. They want me to bring it in and pay for a "Safety Inspection", but I won't do that till I've read the actual extended warranty contracts they are proposing and researched the policy company they are using. It's not the same as the original new LR warranty and from what I've heard one can expect to have to fight to get warranty claims honored.
As for me, my warranty expired right after the previous owner returned it to the leasing bank last June. So now my only option is to try and get awater-tight extended warranty. I'm talking with my LR dealer about that right now. They want me to bring it in and pay for a "Safety Inspection", but I won't do that till I've read the actual extended warranty contracts they are proposing and researched the policy company they are using. It's not the same as the original new LR warranty and from what I've heard one can expect to have to fight to get warranty claims honored.