Stumped!
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Don't post much but learn a lot from reading posts, thanks to everyone for your wealth of knowledge, I have made nearly all my repairs with the help of this forum!
I bought my 2002 Discovery 2 with 24,000 miles on it about 6 years ago, now has 116,000
I've been dealing with an engine miss and rough idle for about 6 months now, I'm stumped!
I am getting codes
P0154
P0141
P0161
P0304
P0306
Occasionally I get at P0307, P0302 and P0308 but only maybe once or twice in the last 6 months?
The misfires are under load, the rough idle is all the time
Work done
Head Gasket at 80,000ish miles
Recent work
MAF
O2 Sensors (all 4, tried 2 different sets and swapped sides)
Coil Packs
Plug wires
Plugs
Catalytic Converters
Checked for Vacuum leaks, haven't found any
I am currently on my first tank of injector cleaner and the codes aren't coming quite as often?
I'm going to fill tank again tomorrow and try another tank of injector cleaner
I'm stumped?
What else can I check?
I bought my 2002 Discovery 2 with 24,000 miles on it about 6 years ago, now has 116,000
I've been dealing with an engine miss and rough idle for about 6 months now, I'm stumped!
I am getting codes
P0154
P0141
P0161
P0304
P0306
Occasionally I get at P0307, P0302 and P0308 but only maybe once or twice in the last 6 months?
The misfires are under load, the rough idle is all the time
Work done
Head Gasket at 80,000ish miles
Recent work
MAF
O2 Sensors (all 4, tried 2 different sets and swapped sides)
Coil Packs
Plug wires
Plugs
Catalytic Converters
Checked for Vacuum leaks, haven't found any
I am currently on my first tank of injector cleaner and the codes aren't coming quite as often?
I'm going to fill tank again tomorrow and try another tank of injector cleaner
I'm stumped?
What else can I check?
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Don't post much but learn a lot from reading posts, thanks to everyone for your wealth of knowledge, I have made nearly all my repairs with the help of this forum!
I bought my 2002 Discovery 2 with 24,000 miles on it about 6 years ago, now has 116,000
I've been dealing with an engine miss and rough idle for about 6 months now, I'm stumped!
I am getting codes
P0154
P0141
P0161
P0304
P0306
Occasionally I get at P0307, P0302 and P0308 but only maybe once or twice in the last 6 months?
The misfires are under load, the rough idle is all the time
Work done
Head Gasket at 80,000ish miles
Recent work
MAF
O2 Sensors (all 4, tried 2 different sets and swapped sides)
Coil Packs
Plug wires
Plugs
Catalytic Converters
Checked for Vacuum leaks, haven't found any
I am currently on my first tank of injector cleaner and the codes aren't coming quite as often?
I'm going to fill tank again tomorrow and try another tank of injector cleaner
I'm stumped?
What else can I check?
I bought my 2002 Discovery 2 with 24,000 miles on it about 6 years ago, now has 116,000
I've been dealing with an engine miss and rough idle for about 6 months now, I'm stumped!
I am getting codes
P0154
P0141
P0161
P0304
P0306
Occasionally I get at P0307, P0302 and P0308 but only maybe once or twice in the last 6 months?
The misfires are under load, the rough idle is all the time
Work done
Head Gasket at 80,000ish miles
Recent work
MAF
O2 Sensors (all 4, tried 2 different sets and swapped sides)
Coil Packs
Plug wires
Plugs
Catalytic Converters
Checked for Vacuum leaks, haven't found any
I am currently on my first tank of injector cleaner and the codes aren't coming quite as often?
I'm going to fill tank again tomorrow and try another tank of injector cleaner
I'm stumped?
What else can I check?
Nice find on the low mileage Disco.
Do you frequent the same gas station?
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I think at this point it might be a wiring problem?
The wiring from the O2 sensor plugs looks good, at least what I can see but I am wondering if the harness for the passenger side front O2 sensor that goes behind the block might be bad
Most of the time I just get a P0154 code, miss is normally P0306, others pop up occasionally though
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4 and 6 are on the same coil, and are adjacent to each other in the block. I would stand by swapping coils left to right and see if the misfire codes move. If they do you have a coil problem. If they do not, I would then swap 4 and 6 injector with 2 and 8, see if the misfire codes move. If they do not, then I would check the compression on 4 and 6, it is rare but possible you have small hg leak between the cylinders. I would also recommend charting the 02 sensor voltages using the Torque app and posting the graphs here, front ones are the only ones that matter. If they are not cycling correctly and are low then you may have plugged injectors. Also, most of us do not memorize the trouble codes (except for 030X), so it is good practice to post the code and the meaning behind it.
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4 and 6 are on the same coil, and are adjacent to each other in the block. I would stand by swapping coils left to right and see if the misfire codes move. If they do you have a coil problem. If they do not, I would then swap 4 and 6 injector with 2 and 8, see if the misfire codes move. If they do not, then I would check the compression on 4 and 6, it is rare but possible you have small hg leak between the cylinders. I would also recommend charting the 02 sensor voltages using the Torque app and posting the graphs here, front ones are the only ones that matter. If they are not cycling correctly and are low then you may have plugged injectors. Also, most of us do not memorize the trouble codes (except for 030X), so it is good practice to post the code and the meaning behind it.
I think if I go to the trouble of removing the intake again I'll just replace everything, coils, wires, injectors and I'll get a good look at the harness for the O2 sensor that goes behind the block
If that doesn't solve the problem it will at least give me a few years before I have to do it again.
I was hoping for something simple to check but I think I've done all the simple things...
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The simple things are graphing the 02 sensors. We can determine if the injectors are lean from those. We need you to check both at idle and at highway speeds. Also graph the short term and long term fuel trims. You can throw parts and money at if you like but then it is still a mystery, swapping parts if a solid test of A vs B and helps us rule out parts conclusively. We have had members have bad injectors and bad coils that were new out of the box. Better to swap with known good.
How soon after clearing codes do they come back, immediately or does it take a few drive cycles (3 is typical). Run fine on the highway, miss at idle? What if you clear the codes going down the highway, do they come back
How soon after clearing codes do they come back, immediately or does it take a few drive cycles (3 is typical). Run fine on the highway, miss at idle? What if you clear the codes going down the highway, do they come back
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The simple things are graphing the 02 sensors. We can determine if the injectors are lean from those. We need you to check both at idle and at highway speeds. Also graph the short term and long term fuel trims. You can throw parts and money at if you like but then it is still a mystery, swapping parts if a solid test of A vs B and helps us rule out parts conclusively. We have had members have bad injectors and bad coils that were new out of the box. Better to swap with known good.
How soon after clearing codes do they come back, immediately or does it take a few drive cycles (3 is typical). Run fine on the highway, miss at idle? What if you clear the codes going down the highway, do they come back
How soon after clearing codes do they come back, immediately or does it take a few drive cycles (3 is typical). Run fine on the highway, miss at idle? What if you clear the codes going down the highway, do they come back
I have a Scan gauge installed on the car, that is how I read the codes, I know you can monitor a lot of things with that, is that what I would use?
I also have scan tool I might be able to do it with?
I'm all for not throwing money at it
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