Torn
#1
Torn or yet another Engine Swap Thread
I love my disco.
I love the smooth solid feel of the 4.6 and the ZF.
I absolutely want to suck start a revolver when i have to fuel it, my road trip mpg is at best what I would expect for in town/wheeling mpg (13-14).
It's getting the motor replaced.
I want 15-16 city, and 20+_ highway.
Don't need a powerhouse,. I'm good with the gutless slug I've been accustomed to with the 4.6.
If I need speed, I'll go drive my 1.4t Dart.
Debated Volvo 6 cyl diesel.
OM61*
Nissan out of a Scout.
GM 6.2 (hate if you must, but equal or better power to what we drive, and they make diesel.)
Ford 6.9 (the deal i am getting there is too good to pass up, the gearing is right, it just makes a lot of sense) I installed the particular 6.9 in the rig I am re-acquiring, I just think it's too big.
4bt
4bd1t (Prefer the Suzie over the Cumstain... but what do you do?)
Buick 3.8
Dodge Slant 6
Chevy 250
AMC 4.0 with a 4.2 crank and pistons (makes a 4.6 heh)
5/7M Toyota Motors, N/A or Turbo
1uz v8
ruling out the 5.3 LS, as I am trying for better than Suburban mpg. My last averraged 15.6, which was fine, but If I am going through the pain of a swap, I want it to REALLY REALLY float my goat.
Have kicked around some 4 cyl options, and 5, but they seem to make no sense, love a b23ft, but... none of my 240's ever really did past 20-22... I can only imagine if I put it in a 5360# rig.
Thoughts?
Emissions exempt county. Already kitty free. 1 click away from being straight piped....
There is a cat on my local FB swap site, that has a Manuel Trannie disco that he claims 16/20 out of.. if I thought that were possible just with a Manuel behind the 4.6, I would do some of the BPU's listed in here, and head down the 5 spd route.
I love the smooth solid feel of the 4.6 and the ZF.
I absolutely want to suck start a revolver when i have to fuel it, my road trip mpg is at best what I would expect for in town/wheeling mpg (13-14).
It's getting the motor replaced.
I want 15-16 city, and 20+_ highway.
Don't need a powerhouse,. I'm good with the gutless slug I've been accustomed to with the 4.6.
If I need speed, I'll go drive my 1.4t Dart.
Debated Volvo 6 cyl diesel.
OM61*
Nissan out of a Scout.
GM 6.2 (hate if you must, but equal or better power to what we drive, and they make diesel.)
Ford 6.9 (the deal i am getting there is too good to pass up, the gearing is right, it just makes a lot of sense) I installed the particular 6.9 in the rig I am re-acquiring, I just think it's too big.
4bt
4bd1t (Prefer the Suzie over the Cumstain... but what do you do?)
Buick 3.8
Dodge Slant 6
Chevy 250
AMC 4.0 with a 4.2 crank and pistons (makes a 4.6 heh)
5/7M Toyota Motors, N/A or Turbo
1uz v8
ruling out the 5.3 LS, as I am trying for better than Suburban mpg. My last averraged 15.6, which was fine, but If I am going through the pain of a swap, I want it to REALLY REALLY float my goat.
Have kicked around some 4 cyl options, and 5, but they seem to make no sense, love a b23ft, but... none of my 240's ever really did past 20-22... I can only imagine if I put it in a 5360# rig.
Thoughts?
Emissions exempt county. Already kitty free. 1 click away from being straight piped....
There is a cat on my local FB swap site, that has a Manuel Trannie disco that he claims 16/20 out of.. if I thought that were possible just with a Manuel behind the 4.6, I would do some of the BPU's listed in here, and head down the 5 spd route.
Last edited by Sir Axlerod; 11-02-2014 at 09:26 PM.
#2
#3
Humor? dead serious, actually.
Sadly that H2 (if it has the 6.2 it's a shoe in for this statement, if the 6.0, could go both ways) get's better mileage than our petrol v8 Landy's.
For $1200, I re-acquire my C-350 4 door Bronco. running, driving (Awesome running, which is why I swapped that one in) 6.9 NP435, BW 1356, and Dana 60/70 combo. Has wheels, and tires....
Cummins springs are free for the taking (2014 RAM 2500 rides better than a DII, and a 6.9IDI and a 6.7 weigh within ounces of each other) (we lift a lot of trucks, we throw the stock stuff away), Suburban springs for the ****. ($75)
Build my own links, and then go to a 37" tyre. I built that (the C-350) around a premise, and with that premise in place, it would give the Landy insane gearing, and I go from a 2317 rpm at 70 as I sit (see sig) to a 2371 rpm at 70 according to Grimmjeeper.com.
I am having a hard time foreseeing that iH engine fitting, thought I had a fighting chance, and then I saw the steering box on the landy in my way.
Candidate #2, is the iH Scout. Offset 44's, 3.3 litre 6, and a t-19/Dana 300. All venerable components.
Run a GPS speedo, and then analog gauges, feed post alternator wire to my windscreen and hatch defroggers, and move forward. Steal a Hydroboost set up from a 6.2 for the brakes, and eliminate that Gawddess-Awfully overpriced ABS modulator.
Scaling at 18k, the C-350 yielded 12 on my move here. I re-tweaked the timing, and rectified waht made it run like ****, adn I didn't check the second half, But I wager we hit 13-14, judging by how little the needle moved in comparison to the first leg of the trip.
Plus... after I've done this swap, I have paved the way for a "better" diesel down the road.
Sadly that H2 (if it has the 6.2 it's a shoe in for this statement, if the 6.0, could go both ways) get's better mileage than our petrol v8 Landy's.
For $1200, I re-acquire my C-350 4 door Bronco. running, driving (Awesome running, which is why I swapped that one in) 6.9 NP435, BW 1356, and Dana 60/70 combo. Has wheels, and tires....
Cummins springs are free for the taking (2014 RAM 2500 rides better than a DII, and a 6.9IDI and a 6.7 weigh within ounces of each other) (we lift a lot of trucks, we throw the stock stuff away), Suburban springs for the ****. ($75)
Build my own links, and then go to a 37" tyre. I built that (the C-350) around a premise, and with that premise in place, it would give the Landy insane gearing, and I go from a 2317 rpm at 70 as I sit (see sig) to a 2371 rpm at 70 according to Grimmjeeper.com.
I am having a hard time foreseeing that iH engine fitting, thought I had a fighting chance, and then I saw the steering box on the landy in my way.
Candidate #2, is the iH Scout. Offset 44's, 3.3 litre 6, and a t-19/Dana 300. All venerable components.
Run a GPS speedo, and then analog gauges, feed post alternator wire to my windscreen and hatch defroggers, and move forward. Steal a Hydroboost set up from a 6.2 for the brakes, and eliminate that Gawddess-Awfully overpriced ABS modulator.
Scaling at 18k, the C-350 yielded 12 on my move here. I re-tweaked the timing, and rectified waht made it run like ****, adn I didn't check the second half, But I wager we hit 13-14, judging by how little the needle moved in comparison to the first leg of the trip.
Plus... after I've done this swap, I have paved the way for a "better" diesel down the road.
Last edited by Sir Axlerod; 11-02-2014 at 11:01 PM.
#7
I my modified D2, I still get 15mpg on a run and 10ish in the city.
#8
6.0 vs 6.2
Got to spend 3 hours and 200+ miles behind the wheel of a 6.2 Escalade, avg was 20.9, the 6.0 H2 truck I delivered to him, I struggled to stay above 12.
I've debated the OM617, another hard contender is the d33? the Volvo dizzel.
Kinda kicked around a stroker 4.6 Inline, Jeep 4.0 with 4.2 (258) crank.
I think an oil burner is my best choice for mileage though.
Got to spend 3 hours and 200+ miles behind the wheel of a 6.2 Escalade, avg was 20.9, the 6.0 H2 truck I delivered to him, I struggled to stay above 12.
I've debated the OM617, another hard contender is the d33? the Volvo dizzel.
Kinda kicked around a stroker 4.6 Inline, Jeep 4.0 with 4.2 (258) crank.
I think an oil burner is my best choice for mileage though.
#9
6.0 vs 6.2
Got to spend 3 hours and 200+ miles behind the wheel of a 6.2 Escalade, avg was 20.9, the 6.0 H2 truck I delivered to him, I struggled to stay above 12.
I've debated the OM617, another hard contender is the d33? the Volvo dizzel.
Kinda kicked around a stroker 4.6 Inline, Jeep 4.0 with 4.2 (258) crank.
I think an oil burner is my best choice for mileage though.
Got to spend 3 hours and 200+ miles behind the wheel of a 6.2 Escalade, avg was 20.9, the 6.0 H2 truck I delivered to him, I struggled to stay above 12.
I've debated the OM617, another hard contender is the d33? the Volvo dizzel.
Kinda kicked around a stroker 4.6 Inline, Jeep 4.0 with 4.2 (258) crank.
I think an oil burner is my best choice for mileage though.
#10
there is a 1976 300d for sle reasonable like on the local Craigslist for $600.
1976 Mercedes 300D
although this looks interesting...
1983 Mercedes 300D turbo diesel - runs & drives
I am solidly buying the 6.9IDI powered Centurion I built and sold back. The cost of upgrading the Rover axles is steeper than the cost of buying this whole truck and stuffing a Dana 60/70 under it. Just makes sense.
Wishe either one of the Mercs was Manuel..... If only I could find a buyer for my 32's (brand new....) and my existing drivetrain....
1976 Mercedes 300D
although this looks interesting...
1983 Mercedes 300D turbo diesel - runs & drives
I am solidly buying the 6.9IDI powered Centurion I built and sold back. The cost of upgrading the Rover axles is steeper than the cost of buying this whole truck and stuffing a Dana 60/70 under it. Just makes sense.
Wishe either one of the Mercs was Manuel..... If only I could find a buyer for my 32's (brand new....) and my existing drivetrain....