Vanishing Coolant and Some Codes
The HG has less material in that area, due to the water channel. Frequent leak down the back, can also leak into cylinders, into oil, etc. Here's a pix of a really well developed one, posted by a member who repaired it while assisted by his teenage son.
Took it back to the dealership and had a few words with them. They told me that before selling the truck to me , they did an oil change and cleared the SES without checking what codes were causing the light. He said, "I thought that was just an oil change light." I explained in detail that the excessive coolant leaks, the buildup in the oil cap and the codes I am getting tell a much different story.
They said they will pay to get an inspection done from any mechanic I choose and we can go from there. Going in monday to get a full inspection and will update then. Thanks for the advice all. Thank you Mike for the call and for being so helpful.
They said they will pay to get an inspection done from any mechanic I choose and we can go from there. Going in monday to get a full inspection and will update then. Thanks for the advice all. Thank you Mike for the call and for being so helpful.
If you are indeed in NYS - NYS has strong laws about how used car dealers operate.
May be time to invoke those laws.
Used Car Lemon Law Fact Sheet | Eric T. Schneiderman
Used Car Lemon Law Fact Sheet
The Used Car Lemon law provides a legal remedy for consumers who are buyers or lessees of used cars that turn out to be lemons. The law requires dealers to give consumers a written warranty. Under this warranty, dealers must repair, free of charge, any defect in covered parts. If the dealer is unable to repair the car after a reasonable number of attempts, the consumer is entitled to a full refund.
Cars Covered by the Used Car Lemon Law Include any car that:
Miles of Operation Duration of Warranty 18,001-36,000 miles 90 days or 4,000 miles 36,001-79,999 miles 60 days or 3,000 miles 80,000-100,000 miles 30 days or 1,000 miles Warranty Requirements:
Auto dealers are required by law to provide you a written warranty to covers the following parts:
Engine:
lubricated parts, water pump, fuel pump, manifolds, engine block, cylinder head, rotary engine housings and flywheel.
Transmission:
the transmission case, internal parts, and the torque converter.
Drive Axle:
the front and rear axle housings and internal parts, axle shafts, propeller shafts and universal joints.
Brakes:
master cylinder, vacuum assist booster wheel cylinders, hydraulic lines and fittings and disc brake calipers.
Steering:
the steering gear housing and all internal parts, power steering pump, valve body, piston and rack
Other Parts:
Radiator, Alternator, Generator, Starter, and Ignition System (excluding battery)
A Dealer's Duty to Repair: A reasonable chance for an auto dealer to repair a problem for a used car is considered to be:
May be time to invoke those laws.
Used Car Lemon Law Fact Sheet | Eric T. Schneiderman
Used Car Lemon Law Fact Sheet
The Used Car Lemon law provides a legal remedy for consumers who are buyers or lessees of used cars that turn out to be lemons. The law requires dealers to give consumers a written warranty. Under this warranty, dealers must repair, free of charge, any defect in covered parts. If the dealer is unable to repair the car after a reasonable number of attempts, the consumer is entitled to a full refund.
Cars Covered by the Used Car Lemon Law Include any car that:
- was purchased, leased or transferred after the earlier of 18,000 miles or two years from original delivery; AND
- was purchased or leased from a New York dealer; AND
- had a purchase price or lease value of at least $1,500; AND
- has been driven less than 100,000 miles at the time of purchase/lease; AND
- is used primarily for personal purposes.
Miles of Operation Duration of Warranty 18,001-36,000 miles 90 days or 4,000 miles 36,001-79,999 miles 60 days or 3,000 miles 80,000-100,000 miles 30 days or 1,000 miles Warranty Requirements:
Auto dealers are required by law to provide you a written warranty to covers the following parts:
Engine:
lubricated parts, water pump, fuel pump, manifolds, engine block, cylinder head, rotary engine housings and flywheel.
Transmission:
the transmission case, internal parts, and the torque converter.
Drive Axle:
the front and rear axle housings and internal parts, axle shafts, propeller shafts and universal joints.
Brakes:
master cylinder, vacuum assist booster wheel cylinders, hydraulic lines and fittings and disc brake calipers.
Steering:
the steering gear housing and all internal parts, power steering pump, valve body, piston and rack
Other Parts:
Radiator, Alternator, Generator, Starter, and Ignition System (excluding battery)
A Dealer's Duty to Repair: A reasonable chance for an auto dealer to repair a problem for a used car is considered to be:
- three or more repair attempts and the problem continues to exist; OR
- the car is out of service by reason of repair for a cumulative total of 15 days or more (although unavailability of parts may extend this time).
- the problem does not substantially impair the value of the car to the consumer; OR
- the problem is a result of abuse, neglect or unauthorized alteration of the car.
- immediately report any malfunction or defect of a covered part to the dealer and request the necessary repairs. If the consumer has notified the dealer of a problem within the warranty period, the dealer must make the repair even if the warranty has subsequently expired.
- keep careful records of all complaints and copies of all work orders, repair bills and correspondence.
I got the truck inspected today. Leaking head gasket, cracked flex coupler, and a few minor things (t/stat,a few hoses,new belt). I sent the estimate to the dealer and they said they could give me $500 for the repairs. Told them it was unacceptable as they had said the would check the codes and ensure that no major mechanical issues were present prior to my purchase.
They said that there was no obvious way to tell there was a hg leak, the service technicians did not feel the codes were a major problem. He asked that I let them know what seems like a reasonable contribution from them towards the repairs and that no other dealer would be so helpful. Im thinking about trying to either have them take the truck back, looking for some ammunition to use so they can pay for the HG repair, I can do the rest with no problem. I really do want to keep this rig as it is in excellent condition.
Should I asked them what codes they found if they did read them?
I asket for a copy of the inspection and service record of what they did and have yet to get anything back?
Any Advice???
They said that there was no obvious way to tell there was a hg leak, the service technicians did not feel the codes were a major problem. He asked that I let them know what seems like a reasonable contribution from them towards the repairs and that no other dealer would be so helpful. Im thinking about trying to either have them take the truck back, looking for some ammunition to use so they can pay for the HG repair, I can do the rest with no problem. I really do want to keep this rig as it is in excellent condition.
Should I asked them what codes they found if they did read them?
I asket for a copy of the inspection and service record of what they did and have yet to get anything back?
Any Advice???
Are you in NY state?
If so - use the lemon law that I posted in this thread.
Does not matter what they say.
the law is what they must follow and what you must follow.
WHAT ARE YOUR RIGHTS IF THE DEALER DOES NOT REPAIR THE CAR?
If the dealer fails to repair the problem after a reasonable period of time, and if the problem substantially impairs the value of the used car to you, the dealer must accept the return of the car and make a refund.
DOES THE LAW SPECIFY WHAT CONSTITUTES A "REASONABLE PERIOD OF TIME" TO REPAIR THE CAR?
Yes. It is presumed that the dealer has had a reasonable opportunity to repair a problem if, during the lemon law warranty period, either: (a) the same problem has been subject to repair three or more times and the problem continues to exist at the end of the third repair attempt; or (b) the car was out of service by reason of repair or malfunction for a cumulative total of 15 or more days for one or more problems.
You, or the dealer, may rebut this presumption by demonstrating that fewer, or more, than three repair attempts or 15 days out-of-service due to repairs, is reasonable under the circumstances.
HOW DO YOU CALCULATE THE 15 DAYS?
When calculating the 15-day total, the days during which repairs could not be completed due to the unavailability of necessary parts are not included. However, the dealer is required to exercise due diligence in attempting to get the necessary parts and there is an absolute 45-day limit.
Used car buyers in New York State are protected under a “lemon” law requiring dealers toprovide written warranties on used cars selling for $1,500 or more, with mileage of less than100,000 miles.
The law covers used car purchases and leases from New York dealers and auction houses on cars primarily used for personal purposes. It does not apply, however, to usedmotorcycles, motor homes, off-road vehicles, or used car purchases from private individuals.
Used car dealers must honor a warranty for a given number of miles, based on the car’s mileage at the time of purchase. The warranty covers the engine, transmission, drive axle,brakes, radiator, steering, and alternator:
Mileage Warranty
0-36,000 90 days or 4,000 miles
36,001-79,999 60 days or 3,000 miles
80,000-100,000 30 days or 1,000 miles
USED
If so - use the lemon law that I posted in this thread.
Does not matter what they say.
the law is what they must follow and what you must follow.
WHAT ARE YOUR RIGHTS IF THE DEALER DOES NOT REPAIR THE CAR?
If the dealer fails to repair the problem after a reasonable period of time, and if the problem substantially impairs the value of the used car to you, the dealer must accept the return of the car and make a refund.
DOES THE LAW SPECIFY WHAT CONSTITUTES A "REASONABLE PERIOD OF TIME" TO REPAIR THE CAR?
Yes. It is presumed that the dealer has had a reasonable opportunity to repair a problem if, during the lemon law warranty period, either: (a) the same problem has been subject to repair three or more times and the problem continues to exist at the end of the third repair attempt; or (b) the car was out of service by reason of repair or malfunction for a cumulative total of 15 or more days for one or more problems.
You, or the dealer, may rebut this presumption by demonstrating that fewer, or more, than three repair attempts or 15 days out-of-service due to repairs, is reasonable under the circumstances.
HOW DO YOU CALCULATE THE 15 DAYS?
When calculating the 15-day total, the days during which repairs could not be completed due to the unavailability of necessary parts are not included. However, the dealer is required to exercise due diligence in attempting to get the necessary parts and there is an absolute 45-day limit.
Used car buyers in New York State are protected under a “lemon” law requiring dealers toprovide written warranties on used cars selling for $1,500 or more, with mileage of less than100,000 miles.
The law covers used car purchases and leases from New York dealers and auction houses on cars primarily used for personal purposes. It does not apply, however, to usedmotorcycles, motor homes, off-road vehicles, or used car purchases from private individuals.
Used car dealers must honor a warranty for a given number of miles, based on the car’s mileage at the time of purchase. The warranty covers the engine, transmission, drive axle,brakes, radiator, steering, and alternator:
Mileage Warranty
0-36,000 90 days or 4,000 miles
36,001-79,999 60 days or 3,000 miles
80,000-100,000 30 days or 1,000 miles
USED
Here is the form you need against that dealer.
Get busy..
http://www.ag.ny.gov/sites/default/f...07_usedcar.pdf
Get busy..
http://www.ag.ny.gov/sites/default/f...07_usedcar.pdf
Dealer agreed to pay for the HG repair. Had that done and picked the truck up yesterday. Prior to repair, running temp was 195 hwy and between 205 and 210 at idle. Now hitting 212-215 on hwy and 221-224 at idle. New OEM tstat was put in, new radiator cap, new fluids.
Mechanic said these are normal running temps, however I'm thinking its a bit high. May just be paranoid. I feel like the stat isn't opening. All the fans operate correctly. The two upper hoses are hot while the lower hose remains cold now matter how high the temp. reaches. Used an IR thermometer and was getting high 180's on the upper hose and recovery tank, and low 80's on lower hose while Ultragauge is reading 217 and rising.
I have a motorad tstat in the mail, but wondering if there is a lager problem here.
Mechanic said these are normal running temps, however I'm thinking its a bit high. May just be paranoid. I feel like the stat isn't opening. All the fans operate correctly. The two upper hoses are hot while the lower hose remains cold now matter how high the temp. reaches. Used an IR thermometer and was getting high 180's on the upper hose and recovery tank, and low 80's on lower hose while Ultragauge is reading 217 and rising.
I have a motorad tstat in the mail, but wondering if there is a lager problem here.
So I replaced the tstat with the motorad soft spring and the temps dropped close to 30 degrees. Now running closer to 188-195 constantly. I had a feeling the replaced stat was not opening correctly, so did it myself. Actually was pretty simple and only lost about 1/3 gallon of coolant. Tested the stat in a boiling pot of water and it would not open, so I'm guessing I was subject to a faulty tstat. Thanks for the help. Happy to have my rover running strong and on the road.


