Front brake pads that work well when cold
#11
I'm know there are pads that are more susceptible to squealing than others, but I wonder how much of the squealing that people experience is due to not using or improper use of brake grease and/or tired springs that are supposed to hold the pads in.
One thing that you might want to try is using ceramic brake grease. Since our cars are so heavy, I'm sure our brakes get extra hot. The ceramic grease (e.g. Permatex makes a purple one) is supposed to hold up to higher temperatures better and might help with the squealing that some people are experiencing.
The only squealing that I've had with my Akebono ceramics is when I back out of the driveway and they're cold.
One thing that you might want to try is using ceramic brake grease. Since our cars are so heavy, I'm sure our brakes get extra hot. The ceramic grease (e.g. Permatex makes a purple one) is supposed to hold up to higher temperatures better and might help with the squealing that some people are experiencing.
The only squealing that I've had with my Akebono ceramics is when I back out of the driveway and they're cold.
#12
FWIW I just ordered a set of Hawk LTS pads for the front of the LR3. We'll see how they do. I had decent luck with Hawk pads many moons ago when I was racing an Alfa GTV6 that was really hard on it's rears since they were inboard and had poor ventilation.
The LTS (light truck/SUV) is a street compound designed around 1/2 ton trucks that haul/tow. It's listed as 'fero carbon' material, so not ceramic. Take that marketing hype for what you will.
The LTS (light truck/SUV) is a street compound designed around 1/2 ton trucks that haul/tow. It's listed as 'fero carbon' material, so not ceramic. Take that marketing hype for what you will.
#13
I had EBC green stuff on my D2 and completely smoked them going down a switchback road coming down a mountain. I was sure that it was pilot error as they have such a good rep.
So, got a set all around on my 3, and like you am not happy. Although the stopping power is a little better than my wife's $25 WBR semi metallic pads( I also have drilled and slotted rotors) they squeal after they are warm.
So, got a set all around on my 3, and like you am not happy. Although the stopping power is a little better than my wife's $25 WBR semi metallic pads( I also have drilled and slotted rotors) they squeal after they are warm.
If you're looking at EBC for the truck, the Yellowstuff is what you'll want, along with a brake fluid with a high enough boiling point. I alternate flushes between ATe SuperBlue and ATe TYP200. Both are exactly the same fluid, just different colors. Makes fluid flushes a lot easier.
#14
I recently put a set of EBC green stuff 7000-series pads on the front of my truck and they're awful. Not bad for the first 500 miles or so, but now they squeal like crazy as soon as they get a little warm. I wanted something that would handle heat a little better than stock since I'm heavier than stock plus have heavy tires so increased rolling inertia, but these don't seem to be any better than stock despite how they are advertised. I've had good luck with EBC in the past, so maybe this is a fluke but with about 1000 miles on them I'm ready to replace them already.
Oh, and the were completely smoked (literally) coming down Old Priest Grade even though the truck was in 2nd the whole way down. Despite attempting to protect them I was almost unable to stop at the bottom of the hill. Not. Good.
Oh, and the were completely smoked (literally) coming down Old Priest Grade even though the truck was in 2nd the whole way down. Despite attempting to protect them I was almost unable to stop at the bottom of the hill. Not. Good.
#15
That's the advantage of ceramic pads... ceramic everything actually. Ceramic stuff just stands up better to heat than anything else. That being said, the EBC green pads are non-asbestos organic (NAO) and these are absolutely the worst kind of pad for our huge, heavy rigs.
I like my Akebonos, but as I experienced over this past winter, I had issues when just starting out when they wouldn't stop my car from rolling down the driveway!! I don't know if I somehow got ice between them and the rotor or if they were just that horrible when cold.
As far as fluid, I use Pentosin DOT4 LV, which is a low viscosity brake fluid (good for ABS systems - allows them to cycle faster) and meets the ISO 4925 Class 6 spec called for by Land Rover. I believe it has the same boiling point as the ATE Super Blue and is more easily available. Nothing wrong with ATE stuff though.
EDIT: Nope, I lied. I think the ATE boiling point is a bit higher.
I like my Akebonos, but as I experienced over this past winter, I had issues when just starting out when they wouldn't stop my car from rolling down the driveway!! I don't know if I somehow got ice between them and the rotor or if they were just that horrible when cold.
As far as fluid, I use Pentosin DOT4 LV, which is a low viscosity brake fluid (good for ABS systems - allows them to cycle faster) and meets the ISO 4925 Class 6 spec called for by Land Rover. I believe it has the same boiling point as the ATE Super Blue and is more easily available. Nothing wrong with ATE stuff though.
EDIT: Nope, I lied. I think the ATE boiling point is a bit higher.
Last edited by cmb6s; 07-13-2016 at 01:06 PM.
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#16
That's the advantage of ceramic pads... ceramic everything actually. Ceramic stuff just stands up better to heat than anything else. That being said, the EBC green pads are non-asbestos organic (NAO) and these are absolutely the worst kind of pad for our huge, heavy rigs.
I like my Akebonos, but as I experienced over this past winter, I had issues when just starting out when they wouldn't stop my car from rolling down the driveway!! I don't know if I somehow got ice between them and the rotor or if they were just that horrible when cold.
I like my Akebonos, but as I experienced over this past winter, I had issues when just starting out when they wouldn't stop my car from rolling down the driveway!! I don't know if I somehow got ice between them and the rotor or if they were just that horrible when cold.
I need to try them in this coming winter. If you can put up with mediocre pad life and a buttload of dust, those textars worked great when the Landy lived in the Virginia cold . I too have heard ok things about EBC yellows. But hey I know Bbyer is using akebonos up there in the great wild north...
#17
Man...I had a set of Akebonos in the shopping cart ready to check out then at the last minute switched to Hawks since I had some history with them, albeit in a completely different application. The Akebonos were cheaper too.
ATE SupreBlue....haven't see that since my Alfa racing days! It was hard stuff to find back then!
ATE SupreBlue....haven't see that since my Alfa racing days! It was hard stuff to find back then!
#19
I think it's back for sale again, but stamped as off-road only.
The reason the DOT made it illegal? Because it's blue, and not amber.
#20
That's the same problem we've had with the pads on our Baja turbo and our old DII. It's kind of spooky when you can't stop while backing down the driveway and a car is coming down the street. I literally had to stand on the brake pedal to get it to stop. Looks like I'm leaning towards the semi metallic pads.