Is my 2006 LR3 SE 4x4
Let's add to that. If there is a center differential that locks, or ANY mechanism that locks torque equally between front and rear axles, then it's a 4WD.
For example the LR3 has no selection between AWD and 4WD but the center diff locks and when it does, it's a traditional (part time) 4WD. By way of contrast, the Acura MDX is AWD and cannot lock torque between front and rear either manually or automatically. It is an AWD.
So the statement above "4wd is selectable between 2wd and 4wd with no differential in the transfer case" is inaccurate.
For example the LR3 has no selection between AWD and 4WD but the center diff locks and when it does, it's a traditional (part time) 4WD. By way of contrast, the Acura MDX is AWD and cannot lock torque between front and rear either manually or automatically. It is an AWD.
So the statement above "4wd is selectable between 2wd and 4wd with no differential in the transfer case" is inaccurate.
All-Wheel Drive (AWD): A drivetrain that employs a front, rear and center differential to provide power to all four wheels of a vehicle.
Four-Wheel Drive (4WD): A drivetrain that employs two differentials and a transfer case to provide power to all four wheels of a vehicle.
If a vehicle can drive with all 4 wheels receiving some amount of torque on PAVEMENT without damage, I argue, it's AWD. True, the LR3 has a more traditional transfer case than a Haldex type system mentioned and technically a center diff lock makes it behave like a 4wd, but it's still an AWD vehicle. I would not call an '03 Discovery AWD and an '04 Discovery 4wd despite the later having a center diff lock. Tomato, tomato I guess. Sorry to hijack, but schwaggy asked!
Trust me...I'm the guy you want splitting hairs. I make airplanes for a living!
Maybe we can agree that the LR3 is BOTH AWD and 4WD. Maybe the center diff is there to make it AWD and the T-Case is there to make it a 4WD....and Edmunds didn't account for a vehicle having both.
Maybe we can agree that the LR3 is BOTH AWD and 4WD. Maybe the center diff is there to make it AWD and the T-Case is there to make it a 4WD....and Edmunds didn't account for a vehicle having both.
Trust me...I'm the guy you want splitting hairs. I make airplanes for a living!
Maybe we can agree that the LR3 is BOTH AWD and 4WD. Maybe the center diff is there to make it AWD and the T-Case is there to make it a 4WD....and Edmunds didn't account for a vehicle having both.
Maybe we can agree that the LR3 is BOTH AWD and 4WD. Maybe the center diff is there to make it AWD and the T-Case is there to make it a 4WD....and Edmunds didn't account for a vehicle having both.
Last edited by m_lars; Jul 21, 2017 at 06:22 AM.
It's generally understood that "4x4" does not mean all 4 wheels get torque.
...and I'm not really digging that deep. A 4WD locks torque equally between the front and rear axle, in a general sense. Does the LR3 do that? Yes.
...it just happens to have a center diff and a transfer case, which is a configuration not covered by the definition Edmunds gave. So it's an outlier.
...and I'm not really digging that deep. A 4WD locks torque equally between the front and rear axle, in a general sense. Does the LR3 do that? Yes.
...it just happens to have a center diff and a transfer case, which is a configuration not covered by the definition Edmunds gave. So it's an outlier.
It's generally understood that "4x4" does not mean all 4 wheels get torque.
...and I'm not really digging that deep. A 4WD locks torque equally between the front and rear axle, in a general sense. Does the LR3 do that? Yes.
...it just happens to have a center diff and a transfer case, which is a configuration not covered by the definition Edmunds gave. So it's an outlier.
...and I'm not really digging that deep. A 4WD locks torque equally between the front and rear axle, in a general sense. Does the LR3 do that? Yes.
...it just happens to have a center diff and a transfer case, which is a configuration not covered by the definition Edmunds gave. So it's an outlier.
Here is the thing...I agree with a lot of what you say. The one thing that I don't agree with is the assertion that AWD and 4x4 have to be mutually exclusive. I don't think that 4x4 is necessarily temporary. I think the ONLY real definable characteristic of "4x4" is equal torque front and rear. The LR3 does that. Hence it's a 4x4 when it's locked; and an AWD when it is not.
It is not, I'll agree, a traditional 4x4 drivetrain.
It is not, I'll agree, a traditional 4x4 drivetrain.
Last edited by houm_wa; Jul 21, 2017 at 11:33 PM.
Here is the thing...I agree with a lot of what you say. The one thing that I don't agree with is the assertion that AWD and 4x4 have to be mutually exclusive. I don't think that 4x4 is necessarily temporary. I think the ONLY real definable characteristic of "4x4" is equal torque front and rear. The LR3 does that. Hence it's a 4x4 when it's locked; and an AWD when it is not.
It is not, I'll agree, a traditional 4x4 drivetrain.
It is not, I'll agree, a traditional 4x4 drivetrain.
However... 4x4, as you define it as equal torque to front and rear, is ABSOLUTELY temporary on a STREET DRIVEN vehicle. You can not drive on dry pavement in 4x4 without eventually damaging some part of the drivetrain. Every turn you make the front wheels travel a longer distance than the rear causing it to bind up. Best case scenario, you destroy your tires because they are constantly slipping to make up the difference. Worst case, the weakest part of the system fails and you're stuck on the side of the road. Would damage happen immediately, no. Feel free to test how long it takes to fail.
I will now move on, to the relief of everyone, and continue my research to decide which model will be my next Land Rover.
Dude, I give up. You are complicating a simple question. If you had to say it's one or the other, but not both, to someone who doesn't understand the nuances you are arguing, what's your answer? With that, I concede, you win. You are right. You're King of the Lab.
However... 4x4, as you define it as equal torque to front and rear, is ABSOLUTELY temporary on a STREET DRIVEN vehicle. You can not drive on dry pavement in 4x4 without eventually damaging some part of the drivetrain. Every turn you make the front wheels travel a longer distance than the rear causing it to bind up. Best case scenario, you destroy your tires because they are constantly slipping to make up the difference. Worst case, the weakest part of the system fails and you're stuck on the side of the road. Would damage happen immediately, no. Feel free to test how long it takes to fail.
I will now move on, to the relief of everyone, and continue my research to decide which model will be my next Land Rover.
However... 4x4, as you define it as equal torque to front and rear, is ABSOLUTELY temporary on a STREET DRIVEN vehicle. You can not drive on dry pavement in 4x4 without eventually damaging some part of the drivetrain. Every turn you make the front wheels travel a longer distance than the rear causing it to bind up. Best case scenario, you destroy your tires because they are constantly slipping to make up the difference. Worst case, the weakest part of the system fails and you're stuck on the side of the road. Would damage happen immediately, no. Feel free to test how long it takes to fail.
I will now move on, to the relief of everyone, and continue my research to decide which model will be my next Land Rover.
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