Check engine light and all the others too...
#1
Check engine light and all the others too...
2011 LR4 with 40K miles only.
Driving the other day I had HDC not available, then EBA not available then DSC not available. Then the suspension drops.
Today, twice, I then get a series of other warnings - gearbox, suspension, handbrake, drive less than 50kms etc etc. The engine warning light came on and stays on. If I stop and restart, the warnings all go away except the engine warning which stays on without flickering. When I restart I can raise the suspension again.
The LR garage says it has never seen anything like this and has no idea at all but will try to do a diagnostic which will cost me a fortune no doubt. I am not confident.
When I get the first three (HDC,DSC,EBA) this is typically an ABS sensor fault but the others are weird.
Any ideas at all? Here's the list of ODB codes
U0121-00 (2C) Lost communication with ABS control module
( on 07-12-2021 11:40:09 at 61304 km )
U0128-00 (2C) Lost communication with parking brake control module
( on 07-12-2021 11:40:12 at 61304 km )
U0100-00 (2C) Lost communication with engine control module/powertrain control module 'A'
( on 07-12-2021 11:40:13 at 61304 km )
U0101-00 (2C) Lost communication with transmission control module
( on 07-12-2021 11:40:12 at 61304 km )
U0001-88 (2C) High speed CAN communication bus - Bus signal/message failure - bus is off
( on 07-12-2021 11:40:15 at 61304 km )
U0004-00 (2C) High speed CAN communication bus (+) low
( on 07-12-2021 11:40:16 at 61304 km )
IPC-Instrument Pack
U0001-88 (2E) High speed CAN communication bus - Bus signal/message failure - bus is off
( on 07-12-2021 11:40:15 at 61304 km )
U0100-00 (2E) Lost communication with engine control module/powertrain control module 'A'
( on 07-12-2021 11:40:13 at 61304 km )
U0101-00 (2E) Lost communication with transmission control module
( on 07-12-2021 11:40:13 at 61304 km )
U0102-00 (2E) Lost communication with transfer case control module
( on 07-12-2021 11:40:15 at 61304 km )
U0121-00 (2E) Lost communication with ABS control module
( on 07-12-2021 11:40:15 )
U0126-00 (2E) Lost communication with steering angle sensor module
( on 07-12-2021 11:40:15 at 61304 km )
U0128-00 (2E) Lost communication with parking brake control module
( on 07-12-2021 11:40:15 )
U0132-00 (2E) Lost communication with ride level control module
( on 07-12-2021 11:40:15 at 61304 km )
U0138-00 (2E) Lost communication with all terrain control module
( on 07-12-2021 11:40:15 at 61304 km )
U0141-00 (2E) Lost communication with the body control module A
( on 07-12-2021 11:40:15 at 61304 km )
U0151-00 (2E) Lost communication with restraints control module
( on 07-12-2021 11:40:15 at 61304 km )
PBM-Parking Brake
U0140-00 (28) Lost communication with body control module
( on 07-12-2021 11:38:59 at 61303 km )
U0121-00 (28) Lost communication with ABS control module
( on 07-12-2021 11:40:07 at 61304 km )
U0100-00 (28) Lost communication with engine control module/powertrain control module 'A'
( on 07-12-2021 11:40:12 at 61304 km )
U0073-88 (28) Control module communication bus off - Bus signal/message failure - bus is off
( on 07-12-2021 11:40:12 at 61304 km )
U0101-00 (28) Lost communication with transmission control module
( on 07-12-2021 11:40:12 at 61304 km )
U0403-00 (28) Invalid data received from transfer case control module
( on 07-12-2021 11:40:12 at 61304 km )
Driving the other day I had HDC not available, then EBA not available then DSC not available. Then the suspension drops.
Today, twice, I then get a series of other warnings - gearbox, suspension, handbrake, drive less than 50kms etc etc. The engine warning light came on and stays on. If I stop and restart, the warnings all go away except the engine warning which stays on without flickering. When I restart I can raise the suspension again.
The LR garage says it has never seen anything like this and has no idea at all but will try to do a diagnostic which will cost me a fortune no doubt. I am not confident.
When I get the first three (HDC,DSC,EBA) this is typically an ABS sensor fault but the others are weird.
Any ideas at all? Here's the list of ODB codes
U0121-00 (2C) Lost communication with ABS control module
( on 07-12-2021 11:40:09 at 61304 km )
U0128-00 (2C) Lost communication with parking brake control module
( on 07-12-2021 11:40:12 at 61304 km )
U0100-00 (2C) Lost communication with engine control module/powertrain control module 'A'
( on 07-12-2021 11:40:13 at 61304 km )
U0101-00 (2C) Lost communication with transmission control module
( on 07-12-2021 11:40:12 at 61304 km )
U0001-88 (2C) High speed CAN communication bus - Bus signal/message failure - bus is off
( on 07-12-2021 11:40:15 at 61304 km )
U0004-00 (2C) High speed CAN communication bus (+) low
( on 07-12-2021 11:40:16 at 61304 km )
IPC-Instrument Pack
U0001-88 (2E) High speed CAN communication bus - Bus signal/message failure - bus is off
( on 07-12-2021 11:40:15 at 61304 km )
U0100-00 (2E) Lost communication with engine control module/powertrain control module 'A'
( on 07-12-2021 11:40:13 at 61304 km )
U0101-00 (2E) Lost communication with transmission control module
( on 07-12-2021 11:40:13 at 61304 km )
U0102-00 (2E) Lost communication with transfer case control module
( on 07-12-2021 11:40:15 at 61304 km )
U0121-00 (2E) Lost communication with ABS control module
( on 07-12-2021 11:40:15 )
U0126-00 (2E) Lost communication with steering angle sensor module
( on 07-12-2021 11:40:15 at 61304 km )
U0128-00 (2E) Lost communication with parking brake control module
( on 07-12-2021 11:40:15 )
U0132-00 (2E) Lost communication with ride level control module
( on 07-12-2021 11:40:15 at 61304 km )
U0138-00 (2E) Lost communication with all terrain control module
( on 07-12-2021 11:40:15 at 61304 km )
U0141-00 (2E) Lost communication with the body control module A
( on 07-12-2021 11:40:15 at 61304 km )
U0151-00 (2E) Lost communication with restraints control module
( on 07-12-2021 11:40:15 at 61304 km )
PBM-Parking Brake
U0140-00 (28) Lost communication with body control module
( on 07-12-2021 11:38:59 at 61303 km )
U0121-00 (28) Lost communication with ABS control module
( on 07-12-2021 11:40:07 at 61304 km )
U0100-00 (28) Lost communication with engine control module/powertrain control module 'A'
( on 07-12-2021 11:40:12 at 61304 km )
U0073-88 (28) Control module communication bus off - Bus signal/message failure - bus is off
( on 07-12-2021 11:40:12 at 61304 km )
U0101-00 (28) Lost communication with transmission control module
( on 07-12-2021 11:40:12 at 61304 km )
U0403-00 (28) Invalid data received from transfer case control module
( on 07-12-2021 11:40:12 at 61304 km )
#2
I’m probably not going to say anything you haven’t already read about, but …
Very first thing to check is your battery and alternator. Not sure about the 2011’s, but the newer models have a battery management system that shuts down non-essential functions when it senses that the battery is starting to run low (which can be the battery, alternator, or both). Pop the hood, let it set for a good 10-15 minutes to make sure all the systems are off (good idea to keep the key away from the vehicle as that tends to turn certain functions “on”) and check the voltage with a multimeter. You should see 12.6v for a healthy battery. 12v is basically dead, and 12.4 is something like 60% if I recall correctly. Then, with engine running, check voltage again - you should see about 14v or so indicating a good charge from the alternator.
If it’s not the charging system, the other common problem that causes a ton of errors is water in the passenger side footwell from a sunroof drain leak. Even if something like that happened some time ago, the eventual corrosion can cause these kinds of problems.
If it’s neither of those things, I’d get the wiring diagram and trace the high speed CAN bus from these different modules. They are all communication errors - no “P” codes listed. There might be one COM module failing that is connected to everything else, or one common bus connection.
Very first thing to check is your battery and alternator. Not sure about the 2011’s, but the newer models have a battery management system that shuts down non-essential functions when it senses that the battery is starting to run low (which can be the battery, alternator, or both). Pop the hood, let it set for a good 10-15 minutes to make sure all the systems are off (good idea to keep the key away from the vehicle as that tends to turn certain functions “on”) and check the voltage with a multimeter. You should see 12.6v for a healthy battery. 12v is basically dead, and 12.4 is something like 60% if I recall correctly. Then, with engine running, check voltage again - you should see about 14v or so indicating a good charge from the alternator.
If it’s not the charging system, the other common problem that causes a ton of errors is water in the passenger side footwell from a sunroof drain leak. Even if something like that happened some time ago, the eventual corrosion can cause these kinds of problems.
If it’s neither of those things, I’d get the wiring diagram and trace the high speed CAN bus from these different modules. They are all communication errors - no “P” codes listed. There might be one COM module failing that is connected to everything else, or one common bus connection.
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sh74 (12-08-2021)
#3
#4
Now - mea culpa..
I checked the battery (which is a fillable type and not sealed for life) I naively, like most owners I suspect, thought that there would be the traditional signs of battery failure - like it not starting or dim lights or a dashboard warning..
With the battery in place and connected, it measures NEARLY 12 volts!! In other words it is dud.
Since it is a non-sealed version, is it worth replacing the acid ow will it just extend its life by a week or so :-) ?
Can I use a sealed-for-life battery in its place or does LR have some special needs?
If this works, I owe you at least one beer!
I checked the battery (which is a fillable type and not sealed for life) I naively, like most owners I suspect, thought that there would be the traditional signs of battery failure - like it not starting or dim lights or a dashboard warning..
With the battery in place and connected, it measures NEARLY 12 volts!! In other words it is dud.
Since it is a non-sealed version, is it worth replacing the acid ow will it just extend its life by a week or so :-) ?
Can I use a sealed-for-life battery in its place or does LR have some special needs?
If this works, I owe you at least one beer!
#8
All the errors are C errors which GAP tell me can be safely ignored since the CAN protocols are 'fire and forget'.
The LR garage told me that they had never seen or heard of this phenomenon and took a very disinterested look at the errors list and clearly know nothing about CAN.
I have no road tested yet since it is snowing here but will report progress in a couple of days.
The LR garage told me that they had never seen or heard of this phenomenon and took a very disinterested look at the errors list and clearly know nothing about CAN.
I have no road tested yet since it is snowing here but will report progress in a couple of days.
#9
14 volts is the alternator, not the battery
battery should be greater than 12.6 volts after sitting with the engine off
if alternator voltage and varying greatly, typically either above 14 volts volts or below 14 volts, likely alternator is failing, had that problem (non stop canbus errors) earlier this year, main dealer couldn't figure it out despite alternator voltage all over the place so I replaced it myself and no further errors nearly a year later
battery should be greater than 12.6 volts after sitting with the engine off
if alternator voltage and varying greatly, typically either above 14 volts volts or below 14 volts, likely alternator is failing, had that problem (non stop canbus errors) earlier this year, main dealer couldn't figure it out despite alternator voltage all over the place so I replaced it myself and no further errors nearly a year later
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sh74 (12-09-2021)
#10
All the errors are C errors which GAP tell me can be safely ignored since the CAN protocols are 'fire and forget'.
The LR garage told me that they had never seen or heard of this phenomenon and took a very disinterested look at the errors list and clearly know nothing about CAN.
I have no road tested yet since it is snowing here but will report progress in a couple of days.
The LR garage told me that they had never seen or heard of this phenomenon and took a very disinterested look at the errors list and clearly know nothing about CAN.
I have no road tested yet since it is snowing here but will report progress in a couple of days.
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sh74 (12-09-2021)