Hello all,

My thought is about sale price and NOT fuel economy.

I've been searching the Canadian auto trader and noticed the diesel models are consistently cheaper in sales price than gas engines.

This is standard among the the Discovery and the Range Rover Sports listed in Canada that I have seen so far.

Is there a serious design flaw that people are getting rid of them?

Thanks or any insight.

 

IMHO The diesel is better than gas for the fuel economy not necessarily price because the price seems to be about equal here in Canada. I do think the diesel is way better on fuel and maybe reliability only time will tell but the diesel needs to be driven highway more often than the gas. I have 78k km on mine and no problems same with many on this forum. My opinion again.

 

Thanks for the response,

My question had to do with sales price of the rover, not fuel economy.

It's just been consistent in most sales adverts the diesels have been cheaper.

 

I don't commute more than 15min in stop and go traffic on a given day. The diesel has to be driven at highway speeds for ~30m once a week to keep the diesel system functioning properly. Dealer confirmed it with me. It will lead to problems. That led me to look at the gas engine only. Loving my Disco 5 '18 3 months in!


​​​​​​I say that to illustrate that demand may be lower because of that issue. Gasoline is selling a lot cheaper per gal where I live also.

 

There's been some reported engine failures on multiple LR diesels on the UK site disco5.co.uk.
My understanding is that the TD6 was made by Ford in the UK as the "Lion" engine.
When the design was manufactured stateside as the 3 liter powerstroke, one of the number of changes made was to the crankshaft.
Deep Dive: Ford’s 1.5L and 3.0L Diesel Engines (motortrend.com)
Also, issues with the DPF as reported by Orangeman on this site. I have not had any issues; I routinely run mine on the interstate and get it hot and I also change my oil every 5k. I think it's just nuts to try and run oil 16k miles, so I don't do it.
I do like the vehicle; it excels on the highway with great mid-range power. You will not win any quarter mile contest with it though.
I have the 2017 TD6 and all of this doesn't instill confidence, that's why I wouldn't buy an LR without an extended warranty.
In light of all this, I considered selling it, but the used market is so soft for these cars, I would take a bath if I sold it now, so it looks like I'm keeping it.

 

VW sold a 3.0 turbo diesel six. They no longer do.
BMW sold a 3.0 turbo diesel six. They no longer do.
Porsche sold a 3.0 turbo diesel six. They no longer do.
Ford sold a 3.0 turbo diesel six (the same one as ours), on the most popular vehicle sold in all of North America. They no longer do.
Land Rover sold a 3.0 turbo diesel six. They no longer do.
Dodge/Jeep sold a 3.0 turbo diesel six. They no longer do.

The reason none of these companies sell this motor in NA is because it is impossible to make them run reliably and pass emissions. DEF, DPF, EGR, these systems kill efficiency, add complexity and cost more to begin with.

DO NOT buy one under any circumstance. This is why they are cheaper.

My 2017 needed a new fuel pump for $7,400. They need their oil changed every 5-8k miles and a new filter every 20k miles.

 

I don't agree. I've had no diesel related issues @92k miles now. I'd change the gas engine oil every 5k as well if I had one. The diesel fuel filter requires a Phillips screwdriver and the ability to follow simple instructions. If you're going to pay a shop for all your service I wouldn't recommend any land Rover personally. The diesel is not altogether unreliable, making that statement is untrue. Primary reason for cutting the Diesel in North America is likely partially due to yes, Diesel complexity and the OEMs have made EPA/CARB offsets of the fleets by offering mild hybrids and further economical gas engines.

 

Yes, listen to one guy, instead of all OEM manufacturers that stopped making them and the land rover techs that will literally tell you their customers want to kill themselves because of repair bills.

My car is currently in the shop for fuel rail pressure issues and engine system faults. I'll let you know what this bill comes to.

My sister has an identical TD6 disco, here's hasn't had any diesel related issues.

Just call a tech and ask them.

 

I do diesel vehicle electronics and emission integration for a living for what that's worth. Substantial amount diesel related problems are related to missed maintenance, drive cycles and driver behavior. I personally haven't had problems with my Diesel that's all. My issues have been common vehicle related problems gas or diesel. Still love the car.

 

I had 2019 HSE Lux USA version. TOO MUCH WORK. DEF = cost and time. In the shop more than my early 2020 defender. And that is not a compliment. AND i also had the engine failure. BUT I love my LR service rep

We have a 2022 Disco 5 Rdynamic and a 2023 Metro Disco 5. So far flawless engines.