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Old 04-12-2021 | 10:22 PM
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Originally Posted by whowa004
we covered this earlier in this thread about the castings tolerances becoming an issue towards the end of the d2 run as LR was interested in debut of the LR3. The D2s got the worse tiered blocks as the RR P38 got the A grade blocks. They also got rid of the oil cooler for those years. The 2003 doesn't have a CDL capable t-case which is pretty useless imo.
I haven't seen any evidence that the casting got worn or that cylinder walls weren't ALSO thin in the engine blocks that didn't break. For all I know the good block also have thin cylinder walls. You'd have to cut apart a lot of Discovery engines that didn't break to compare them to the ones that did break for that to be a valid truth, but maybe it's true. I just don't think that a cylinder with liners will grenade through the liner and not also grenade the liner that is a more brittle metal than the block. Makes no sense. I think the cracks are coming from heat deformation of the block.

The oil cooler could be a big part of it. Which years had an oil cooler? I don't know what a RR P38 is. Is that the range rover vehicle? Can you explain more about that and how the RR got better blocks and why and how?

I also don't believe Land Rover suddenly becomes stupid and lazy when a new product comes out, but maybe they are stupid and lazy? They obviously messed up something.

I've read that the 2003 doesn't have the CDL, but why does it need it if the wheels have independent traction control? Just curious. I know what a CDL is and all that. Aren't they easy to install? That's one reason why I like the Discovery because you don't need lockers to do moderate off-roading due to the traction control.
 
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Old 04-12-2021 | 10:26 PM
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Originally Posted by Xanthro
That is not California law. It's technically illegal in California to buy even one vehicle with the intent to sell it at a profit without a dealers license. Without a dealers license it's illegal to sell a vehicle that has not been registered in your name. A dealers license is require to legally sell more than 5 vehicles.a year.
If you leave a trail indicating you are working on vehicles with the intent to sell at a profit, even selling one vehicle can get you into legal trouble, though you'd be hard to catch.

California law sucks in many ways for people wanting to make extra income. California wants you to get a license and from a LLC, as California will tax the LLC at $800 per year, even if there is zero income and it's an out of State LLC
Well I want to sell all my cars for a profit, who wouldn't? I heard that if you flip 5 cars it's ok, not sure, I've never tried it. I have sold cars for a profit, but not as a grand plan to do it, I just like to fix up cars. And I've only ever sold 2 cars in my life, but both were beaters that I got for super cheap and sold for just a little more.

I wonder where the 5 car thing came from.

The thing is that in So Cal, selling cheap used cars that are priced right is VERY EASY.
 
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Old 04-12-2021 | 10:50 PM
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I've even seen modern Jeeps with turbo kits blow up on the user when they were driving through the hot desert at high elevation because the computer didn't adjust for ambient temperature so the tune was unable to know it was hot outside and the elevation and the tune was trying to get too much HP/TQ and created too much pressure and boom. This is similar to what Land Rover was trying to do with the 4.6 discovery by trying to get emissions and more hp using basically the same old engine parts.
First off let me be absolutely clear here. Your earlier post mention the word "Porsche" several times.... Well this is a Land Rover Forum, and I know it's fake and not real, but so is the claim about Jeep's running so called "Turbo kits".... I happen to have owned several Jeeps and just like a Land Rover they aren't designed for 1/4, 1/2, or 1 mile drag races! The Jeep 4.0L I6 engine, the Jeep 3.8L V6, and the Land Rover V8 were all designed around getting the best torque/HP output at lower RPM's vs top end HP/Speed. I went to many Jeep events and I NEVER saw a single 87-11 Jeep show up with a stupid turbo. That would be as useful off road as a Toyota Prius. Sure on a technical bit lets wait for the turbo to spool up so I can just launch over the next trail obstacle... I think you're possibly mixing up the SRT8 Grand Cherokee Trackhawk, but those are Supercharged not turbo charged.

We've mentioned the weak links with the LR V8 until we're blue in the face. It's design IS NOT going to change as that engine was killed off in 04. 19LB injectors are used on both the 4.0 & 4.6L engines. Heck 19LB rated fuel injectors are used with the entire LR V8 fuel injected vehicles from the 3.9, 4.0, 4.2, and the 4.6L. The differences over the years was tiny engine wise, but with each different engine management system like the 14CUX, GEMS, and finally the BOSCH Motronic system HP was squeezed out of the LR V8 until it was maxed out. LR knew this and that's why the JAG 4.2/4.4L engines were introduced. Jeep also did the same thing when they killed off the legendary 4.0L I6 because it was maxed out and could no longer meet the newer and future emission laws. Jeep didn't really know wth to do so they quickly slapped in the 3.8L V6 out of a Dodge Caravan and from 07-11 a JK/JKU without being re-geared had to be the slowest moving 4x4 on the planet especially once modified for off road with the god awful 4spd auto which was carried over from the 03-06 TJ/LJ. It wasn't until Jeep went with the 3.6L V6 and a 6spd auto that it could actually get around under it's own power....

Good luck with all these so called sources and their theories. I've been around these things since I was a teenager and I'm sorry nothing about them is like you or your sources say they are. However I'm once again just typing to get yet another notch in the old belt sort of speaking (add another post to my 6,500) on a forum which isn't real lol.




BTW Here is a pic of a turbo 2.5L Diesel Land Rover as he gets boost and sails clean over the riverbank..............
 

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Old 04-12-2021 | 11:00 PM
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Originally Posted by Best4x4
First off let me be absolutely clear here. Your earlier post mention the word "Porsche" several times.... Well this is a Land Rover Forum, and I know it's fake and not real, but so is the claim about Jeep's running so called "Turbo kits".... I happen to have owned several Jeeps and just like a Land Rover they aren't designed for 1/4, 1/2, or 1 mile drag races! The Jeep 4.0L I6 engine, the Jeep 3.8L V6, and the Land Rover V8 were all designed around getting the best torque/HP output at lower RPM's vs top end HP/Speed. I went to many Jeep events and I NEVER saw a single 87-11 Jeep show up with a stupid turbo. That would be as useful off road as a Toyota Prius. Sure on a technical bit lets wait for the turbo to spool up so I can just launch over the next trail obstacle... I think you're possibly mixing up the SRT8 Grand Cherokee Trackhawk, but those are Supercharged not turbo charged.

We've mentioned the weak links with the LR V8 until we're blue in the face. It's design IS NOT going to change as that engine was killed off in 04. 19LB injectors are used on both the 4.0 & 4.6L engines. Heck 19LB rated fuel injectors are used with the entire LR V8 fuel injected vehicles from the 3.9, 4.0, 4.2, and the 4.6L. The differences over the years was tiny engine wise, but with each different engine management system like the 14CUX, GEMS, and finally the BOSCH Motronic system HP was squeezed out of the LR V8 until it was maxed out. LR knew this and that's why the JAG 4.2/4.4L engines were introduced. Jeep also did the same thing when they killed off the legendary 4.0L I6 because it was maxed out and could no longer meet the newer and future emission laws. Jeep didn't really know wth to do so they quickly slapped in the 3.8L V6 out of a Dodge Caravan and from 07-11 a JK/JKU without being re-geared had to be the slowest moving 4x4 on the planet especially once modified for off road with the god awful 4spd auto which was carried over from the 03-06 TJ/LJ. It wasn't until Jeep went with the 3.6L V6 and a 6spd auto that it could actually get around under it's own power....

Good luck with all these so called sources and their theories. I've been around these things since I was a teenager and I'm sorry nothing about them is like you or your sources say they are. However I'm once again just typing to get yet another notch in the old belt sort of speaking (add another post to my 6,500) on a forum which isn't real lol.

Internet car experts like you make me LOL and roll my eyes. But it's all good. You go on believing all that you just said. Meanwhile actual Jeep/car/truck experts will do things like this:







 
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Old 04-12-2021 | 11:04 PM
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Originally Posted by discoveringlandrover
Internet car experts like you make me LOL and roll my eyes. But it's all good. You go on believing all that you just said. Meanwhile actual Jeep/car/truck experts will do things like this:

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=F7o4OkKjXZc

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=C-Q6_aKaSJU

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=gr7275omqGA

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=9pTbl4knbvg

Money can buy anything, but I'd challenge that POS with my 26 year old Land Rover Discovery D1 with a 3.9L Rover V8 anyday! The JLU 392 is coming out for around 78K. but I guarantee you 90% of them will never even see as much as grass under their tires......

You sure like to insult people's intelligence, but please tell me just how many Land Rover's with a LR V8 you've owned???? I highly recommend you take all your knowledge over to www.discoweb.org they would love to hear about all your info from all your so called sources. However unlike LRF where we're helpful and repeat info so as to help newbies, they'll tear you apart within about 15 seconds and leave nothing but a few bloody finger nails....

Land Rover Experts have been busy doing this kind of thing for years BTW. I know it's a far cry from those Jeep/Car/Truck experts you mentioned, but I think I'll stick with the Land Rover guys


 

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Old 04-12-2021 | 11:18 PM
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Well if you want fun some one the english side put a blower on a 5.0 liter Rover 8, out of some sort of TVR so if you have money you can do weird stuff.
 
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Old 04-12-2021 | 11:30 PM
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Originally Posted by Best4x4
Money can buy anything, but I'd challenge that POS with my 26 year old Land Rover Discovery D1 with a 3.9L Rover V8 anyday! The JLU 392 is coming out for around 78K. but I guarantee you 90% of them will never even see as much as grass under their tires......

You sure like to insult people's intelligence, but please tell me just how many Land Rover's with a LR V8 you've owned???? I highly recommend you take all your knowledge over to www.discoweb.org they would love to hear about all your info from all your so called sources. However unlike LRF where we're helpful and repeat info so as to help newbies, they'll tear you apart within about 15 seconds and leave nothing but a few bloody finger nails....

Land Rover Experts have been busy doing this kind of thing for years BTW. I know it's a far cry from those Jeep/Car/Truck experts you mentioned, but I think I'll stick with the Land Rover guys
Hey, you said that Jeep/Rover engines were some kind of special engine that "wasn't designed" except for low HP high TQ... but that's just baloney. Come on man. That's just baloney.

And your LR probably won't out wheel the Light Bright Jeep, sorry, it's running special tech on 40's, now it has a lsx swap, but I don't know about your vehicle. They also race in King of the Hammers and drifting events so they are good drivers too. I just haven't seen any Land Rovers that can out wheel a built wrangler.





 
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Old 04-12-2021 | 11:31 PM
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Originally Posted by Richard Gallant
Well if you want fun some one the english side put a blower on a 5.0 liter Rover 8, out of some sort of TVR so if you have money you can do weird stuff.
I'm sure the Rover V8 is just as good as any engine, but it sounds like LR did a bad tune on the 4.6 and once it overheats it's toast, need a new block.
 
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Old 04-12-2021 | 11:34 PM
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And I'm not doing some kind of LR/Jeep competition, or a pissing contest, but there is too much wrong information out there. That's probably why the LRD engine problems have never been truly solved.

I think LRD are really cool, the best interiors maybe of any car and the traction control is great and allows you to do most wheeling without lockers and cutting up and modding the vehicle. In most Jeeps you have to modify the heck out if it to give it lockers, etc.

Land Rovers are great. But stop with the baloney about how they have special engines.
 
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Old 04-12-2021 | 11:45 PM
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Originally Posted by discoveringlandrover
I think you got that wrong. Octane is defined the fuel's resistance to knocking. But really that's "bro science"... there is a reason octane sounds like "oxygen"... higher octane fuel has more oxygen in it, which helps prevent the knocking (which is the same as detonation.)
wow.

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Refine it a little longer and the mers get a little more homogeneous and predictable. Nothing to do with oxygen
 


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