My offer sheet (in Spain) has the 90 and 110 "Versatility Pack" included for a Defender Trophy Edition. Has anyone heard of these packs?

My dealer doesn't know anything about them, so they just discounted most (not all) of the cost. For the remaining cost I don't know what I am getting, if anything.

 

That's got all the stuff I'd get to be honest - however I think a few of you would know by now what I've got to say about the extended black exterior pack. P400 is great - US is one of the last markets you can get them. Borasco grey looks to be a great color and I'm excited to see it in person.

 

I have driven the P300, P400 and P525. I liked the P400 the least. The I6 makes the vehicle feel much heavier than the P300 and it is somewhat sluggish. The P525 of course is also heavy, but at least it has enough power to compensate for it.
If the P300 is still available in your market, I would go for it.

 

Just curious - what’s wrong with the extended black exterior pack?

 

I enjoy the Black Pack as well. No issues here with it.

 

I'm thinking about putting my order in soon. Can I negotiate for a discount or are these going for MSRP?

 

As they say: ‘Past performance does not guarantee future results’. Regardless of other’s experiences at other dealerships, some claiming they got deals under MSRP, and others claiming they were forced to pay over, EVERYTHING is negotiable. Go in there working for your benefit. Don’t back down, if they don’t meet you, get up and walk. Just two days ago, my girlfriend’s lease was coming due. We visited several competing dealerships, and at the last one, 30 minutes before closing we were getting nowhere so she told them she was going to think about it. We left and four minutes down the road, her mobile phone rang. They suddenly wanted meet her bottom line and told her to come right back. We U-turned and went back and we drove off in a new lease, far less than what she was paying on the old lease. Be firm, and walk out if they are stubborn.

 

No sir. The base vehicle with P400 has a ton of power & handles brilliantly for a modern SUV/Land Rover. Saying that the P400 motor is “someone sluggish” and “heavy” is ridiculous and entirely inaccurate. Do you expect it to be a Cayenne Turbo? The P400 deserves defending, it’s good. I challenge you to find one review or automotive journalist who knows what they are talking about that says anything of the sort.

BTW, the P300 is by no means underpowered either and it’s a great motor but someone must come to the defense of the P400. So I will do so. It’s a wonderful, modern, well balanced great motor! Perhaps you had a bad driving experience or a “bad one” (which is unlikely) but it’s supercharged and turbocharged, there’s rarely any turbo lag to speak of... in fact, it’s quite quick and sporting. The inline 6 motor is what convinced me to buy the car... It also doesn’t make the car feel nose heavy or porpoisey. It is a good fit for the L663 platform. as is the P300 and the P525 .

To my P400 110 X, I’ve added a 33” heavy offroad tires, a winch and bull bar up front, rack, armor/rock sliders and my L663 *still* does not feel heavy.

 

The "weight" argument of the P300 vs P400 always struck me as silly. Per JLR's own specs, the P300 is 130kg (286lbs) lighter. Thats about one of me before I went to the gym and started the GLP-1. Fairly insignificant and more than offset by the additional power of the P400.

 

^THIS! I totally agree. The first P400 I test drove 4 years ago had an odd throttle input that made it feel a little sluggish. That throttle issue was gone by the 2021 model year. In sport mode the P400 has so much passing power, I can't imagine needing the V8. And it gets decent gas mileage too.