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Old Jan 11, 2021 | 03:03 PM
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I'm planning on getting the Terrain Response 2 option. My guess is most everyone in the USA will get this option for resale or the minimal cost to the overall price.

Having said that, I don't think I will ever use the automatic setting.

Does anyone know which settings come with the basic Defender and which settings are added with Terrain Response 2.

Just curious.

 
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Old Jan 11, 2021 | 04:24 PM
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I believe it adds the Auto mode, as well as a user configurable mode, it is purely software (potentially it has enhanced/additional sensors) and IMHO it won't add much in resale, this feature is much like the tow assist software, it's amazing how much they charge to turn on a software setting. I've seen a few reviews online that say the auto mode is good, but if you are actually offroading it is better to explicitly select your drive mode. The user configurable mode is more useful, but you'd need to have a specific use case in mind, I'd bet most people wouldn't ever use it. The only real offroad option that is worth getting for resale is the locking rear diff, but again with the awesome torque vectoring the defender has there are very few offroad situations where it will actually make a tangible difference.

Those are just my 2 cents, and are not based on any personal experience with a defender. My Defender is on order and hasn't arrived yet, but I did watch countless hours of defender reviews and videos prior to ordering my build trying to understand exactly what each option did. I personally decided against it, and I also didn't get the locking rear diff as it wasn't available with the wheel rims I wanted for some silly reason. The rims were important to me, else I would have gone for the rear locker.

I believe the powerluluk video where they go on the land rover experience drive, and the guy asks the lead car why they aren't using the Auto mode was the most telling.
 
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Old Jan 11, 2021 | 04:55 PM
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Originally Posted by Iceman153
I believe it adds the Auto mode, as well as a user configurable mode, it is purely software (potentially it has enhanced/additional sensors) and IMHO it won't add much in resale, this feature is much like the tow assist software, it's amazing how much they charge to turn on a software setting. I've seen a few reviews online that say the auto mode is good, but if you are actually offroading it is better to explicitly select your drive mode. The user configurable mode is more useful, but you'd need to have a specific use case in mind, I'd bet most people wouldn't ever use it. The only real offroad option that is worth getting for resale is the locking rear diff, but again with the awesome torque vectoring the defender has there are very few offroad situations where it will actually make a tangible difference.

Those are just my 2 cents, and are not based on any personal experience with a defender. My Defender is on order and hasn't arrived yet, but I did watch countless hours of defender reviews and videos prior to ordering my build trying to understand exactly what each option did. I personally decided against it, and I also didn't get the locking rear diff as it wasn't available with the wheel rims I wanted for some silly reason. The rims were important to me, else I would have gone for the rear locker.

I believe the powerluluk video where they go on the land rover experience drive, and the guy asks the lead car why they aren't using the Auto mode was the most telling.
What wheels do not allow to have the electronic active differential? Why would the wheel size matter?
 
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Old Jan 11, 2021 | 04:59 PM
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You also get the all terrain progress control which essentially is like cruise control when you are off road. I believe I saw a video showing this working while going downhill very slowly which seemed like a reasonable application.
 
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Old Jan 11, 2021 | 05:54 PM
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You also get the all terrain progress control which essentially is like cruise control when you are off road. I believe I saw a video showing this working while going downhill very slowly which seemed like a reasonable application.
Actually there is ATPC, and hill descent control (HDC), which are actually separate AFAIK. HDC is standard on all defenders, which can be super important. ATPC is more like a low speed cruise control to help with the gas pedal application, I don't think HDC will accelerate, I'm assuming ATPC also activates HDC when going down hills.
 
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Old Jan 11, 2021 | 06:03 PM
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What wheels do not allow to have the electronic active differential? Why would the wheel size matter?
Right? This is exactly what I said to the dealer. so the 20" style 6011 rims are apparently not available with the offroad tires. The Offroad package is the only way to get the rear locker in canada, and it includes offroad tires, which rules out the 6011 rims... I have not seen any explanation as to why, and have seen multiple defenders with aftermarket offroad tires fitted on these rims. So that is the line I was fed, and I wanted to get both, so you'd think they would take my money if they could. I have no idea what the actual reason is other than is simplifying the production line?
 
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Old Jan 12, 2021 | 11:25 AM
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Originally Posted by Iceman153
Actually there is ATPC, and hill descent control (HDC), which are actually separate AFAIK. HDC is standard on all defenders, which can be super important. ATPC is more like a low speed cruise control to help with the gas pedal application, I don't think HDC will accelerate, I'm assuming ATPC also activates HDC when going down hills.
Ahh that makes sense...probably makes the ATPC less usable in my mind then...

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Right? This is exactly what I said to the dealer. so the 20" style 6011 rims are apparently not available with the offroad tires. The Offroad package is the only way to get the rear locker in canada, and it includes offroad tires, which rules out the 6011 rims... I have not seen any explanation as to why, and have seen multiple defenders with aftermarket offroad tires fitted on these rims. So that is the line I was fed, and I wanted to get both, so you'd think they would take my money if they could. I have no idea what the actual reason is other than is simplifying the production line?
The online configurator does not restrict that combination, at least on the usa site. Of course it might be wrong, but I am not following JLR's logic on that one. It would imply that you have to be specific on aftermarket wheels because they somehow might stop the rear locker from working...I understand the basic concepts of a diff locker works, but I dont know if there might be something to do with the weight of the wheels or something that might disrupt its power distribution?
 
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Old Jan 12, 2021 | 01:04 PM
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Originally Posted by Iceman153
Right? This is exactly what I said to the dealer. so the 20" style 6011 rims are apparently not available with the offroad tires. The Offroad package is the only way to get the rear locker in canada, and it includes offroad tires, which rules out the 6011 rims... I have not seen any explanation as to why, and have seen multiple defenders with aftermarket offroad tires fitted on these rims. So that is the line I was fed, and I wanted to get both, so you'd think they would take my money if they could. I have no idea what the actual reason is other than is simplifying the production line?
Gloss Black .... interesting. Seems to me they are trying to reserve such a pretty, striking, shiny wheel for on-road versions of the Defender. There's no way for us to know the reason, I suppose. Maybe most likely is that too many persons are trying to order that wheel --- and suggesting to off-roaders to order something else makes the most sense.

Relative to HDC, correct it does not accelerate, and both HDC and ATPC are selected and controlled by the same buttons --- and the parent ATPC will activate the HDC features if necessary. The opposite is not true -- HDC cannot activate ATPC.




 

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Old Jan 12, 2021 | 01:58 PM
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Originally Posted by Moretti

The online configurator does not restrict that combination, at least on the usa site. Of course it might be wrong, but I am not following JLR's logic on that one. It would imply that you have to be specific on aftermarket wheels because they somehow might stop the rear locker from working...I understand the basic concepts of a diff locker works, but I dont know if there might be something to do with the weight of the wheels or something that might disrupt its power distribution?
Actually the online configurator does restrict it, in both the USA and Canada... If you select the 6011 rims, and then try to select the offroad package it will automatically remove the 6011 rims from the build. The individual option for the electronic active diff in the capability and dynamics section is a bug, the diff is not available individually, only as a part of the offroad package. I don't think it has anything to do with functionality or safety, as if you get the defender X, which has the locker standard, you can choose those rims no problem. It's purely a production line simplification, which is annoying but I guess it forces me to save $2k for an option I don't really need.

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Gloss Black .... interesting. Seems to me they are trying to reserve such a pretty, striking, shiny wheel for on-road versions of the Defender. There's no way for us to know the reason, I suppose. Maybe most likely is that too many persons are trying to order that wheel --- and suggesting to off-roaders to order something else makes the most sense.

Relative to HDC, correct it does not accelerate, and both HDC nd ATPC are selected by the same buttons --- and the parent ATPC will activate the HDC features if necessary. The opposite is not true -- HDC cannot activate ATPC.
I saw this rim on a customer car at the dealer with goodyear duratracs on it and a 1.5" lift and they look absolutely amazing. You have to pair it with the black roof and the black pack for full effect, the gloss black matches the car's accents and really pops. here are some pics i took of it.




 
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Old Jan 12, 2021 | 02:04 PM
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Originally Posted by Iceman153
Actually the online configurator does restrict it, in both the USA and Canada... If you select the 6011 rims, and then try to select the offroad package it will automatically remove the 6011 rims from the build. The individual option for the electronic active diff in the capability and dynamics section is a bug, the diff is not available individually, only as a part of the offroad package. I don't think it has anything to do with functionality or safety, as if you get the defender X, which has the locker standard, you can choose those rims no problem. It's purely a production line simplification, which is annoying but I guess it forces me to save $2k for an option I don't really need.
I stand corrected. I had checked on my phone last night and did not catch that it forced you to remove the off road package. Crazy.

The wheels look better in your pictures then on the website. Personally I think I am going to go with the 5098 wheels in grey.

I am still debating on what color interior to go with. Did you go with the stone exterior and black interior?
 
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