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Old Nov 17, 2023 | 06:33 AM
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There are quite a few Defenders in the DC area, but it's hit-or-miss seeing them. Sometimes I go a week or two without seeing another, and then I have a day like yesterday - one at a stoplight, me turning through the same intersections, and a third one driving in the opposite direction. I will say most are white/black/grey, but that's pretty standard with all makes and models out there I think (and LR does offer several variations on black and grey). I personally really enjoy my pangea green with white top, though I almost went with tasman.
 
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Old Nov 17, 2023 | 06:37 AM
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This topic is quite funny! Yes, we are members of that "club" I guess. Our 110SE (Lantau bronze/white roof/silver 22" wheels) is in fact, her car. It is a Wrangler for grown-ups, which is exactly what she came out of for the Defender. Had BMWs etc in the past, and didn't want to go that route again.
As far as the black trim options...Been there, done that, tired of the look!
 
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Old Nov 17, 2023 | 03:55 PM
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Here's a guide to the demographics:

Range Rover -> upper-middle class nouveau-riche

Discovery and all the fake "Range Rover" models -> hatchback crossover sedan on a budget for lower-income aspirants

Defender -> the suburban middle-class
 
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Old Nov 17, 2023 | 06:18 PM
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Lol - are you nuts? People's views of what is middle class are so warped. You think a middle class person is spending $70k on an SUV? Middle class incomes top out at ~$140k

Separately, if you're buying a new Range Rover for $110k+, I'm guessing you're likely in the 1% of American house holds.
 
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Old Nov 18, 2023 | 03:21 AM
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I imagine that's pretty accurate
 
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Old Nov 18, 2023 | 05:36 AM
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Originally Posted by Yulongtd6
Lol - are you nuts? People's views of what is middle class are so warped. You think a middle class person is spending $70k on an SUV? Middle class incomes top out at ~$140k

Separately, if you're buying a new Range Rover for $110k+, I'm guessing you're likely in the 1% of American house holds.

Here in the U.K. few people actually buy their vehicle.
Around 90% are on PCP which means you pay a deposit (usually your old car) then a "rental" payment for 3/4 years. At the end you can hand the vehicle back, buy it, or get another one.
The idea is that it's worth more than you owe, so the extra is your deposit on the next one.

What that means is, you can have a Defender on your drive if your income is enough to afford the monthly payment.

And as residuals are high on Defenders the payments are lower than you might expect for such an expensive vehicle

My local Land Rover dealer said 90% of their vehicles are sold this way.
 

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Old Nov 18, 2023 | 11:21 AM
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Originally Posted by Yulongtd6
Lol - are you nuts? People's views of what is middle class are so warped. You think a middle class person is spending $70k on an SUV? Middle class incomes top out at ~$140k

Separately, if you're buying a new Range Rover for $110k+, I'm guessing you're likely in the 1% of American house holds.
Class has nothing to do with income. The middle class are precisely those who spend on "luxury" vehicles. Even the word "luxury" is code for "middle-class." They need it as a queue for what they can purchase to further their aspirations. The upper class need no such thing, neither would they ever permit their class to be purchased for any amount, certainly not the price of an automobile that Justin Bieber can afford.

“I’ve heard of making a garage out of a stable,” Tom was saying to Gatsby, “but I’m the first man who ever made a stable out of a garage.”
 
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Old Nov 18, 2023 | 11:37 AM
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Originally Posted by nathanb
Class has nothing to do with income. The middle class are precisely those who spend on "luxury" vehicles. Even the word "luxury" is code for "middle-class." They need it as a queue for what they can purchase to further their aspirations. The upper class need no such thing, neither would they ever permit their class to be purchased for any amount, certainly not the price of an automobile that Justin Bieber can afford.

“I’ve heard of making a garage out of a stable,” Tom was saying to Gatsby, “but I’m the first man who ever made a stable out of a garage.”
This is definitely not my understanding of any of this. Middle-class is predominantly based on income and is typically considered the middle quintile of income when one gets technical. Luxury is not interchangeable middle-class as middle-class is considered the average while luxury is more likely to be used as extravagant, fancy, or expensive.

Class is not always directly related to income, such as working-class, managerial-class, aristocracy, upper-class in some cases, as those are more caste system labels. Middle-class however, is more commonly used to denote an income level.

To be fair, the country you are from will definitely impact your understanding of it.
 
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Old Nov 18, 2023 | 11:46 AM
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Originally Posted by nathanb
Here's a guide to the demographics:

Range Rover -> upper-middle class nouveau-riche

Discovery and all the fake "Range Rover" models -> hatchback crossover sedan on a budget for lower-income aspirants

Defender -> the suburban middle-class
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Class has nothing to do with income. The middle class are precisely those who spend on "luxury" vehicles. Even the word "luxury" is code for "middle-class." They need it as a queue for what they can purchase to further their aspirations. The upper class need no such thing, neither would they ever permit their class to be purchased for any amount, certainly not the price of an automobile that Justin Bieber can afford.

“I’ve heard of making a garage out of a stable,” Tom was saying to Gatsby, “but I’m the first man who ever made a stable out of a garage.”
So the two big problem with sweeping generalizations are that they are sweeping, and generalizations.

Could probably add a third. They're mostly just made up and pulled out of someone ***. In fact, I think you just confirmed that for us.
 
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Old Nov 18, 2023 | 12:25 PM
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Originally Posted by swajames
So the two big problem with sweeping generalizations are that they are sweeping, and generalizations.

Could probably add a third. They're mostly just made up and pulled out of someone ***. In fact, I think you just confirmed that for us.
Zero point in responding to the azzhat.
 
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