Out of Spec Reviews on youtube took a snow tire clad 130 (without advanced 4x4) and the R1T four wheel motor EV up in the mountains of CO to drive like a mad man (i'm very jealous) in the snow.

interesting comparison.

 

More on the 130 here. C&D review C&D 130 review

 

Startling that Kyle didn't find a Starbucks up there.

There's a 130 by our beach place and it's not my preference but it actually doesn't look bad in person.

This video nails every reason LR should consider Rivian as a threat.

 

I agree a "threat," however need to define threat. Coming from a prior Tesla owner and also have deposit on Cybertruck (laugh it up...haha), I thought about all of this quite a bit. After all of the analysis, I've landed on the fact you'll need one of each. Ha!

EV's are next-level tech and a boat load of fun to drive...from a video game perspective. It feels like being a kid again! But to that end, I feel like a kid could do it (making it lack a certain panache, if you will). You will never be able to match engineering/performance numbers you get from an EV. That said, listening to that exhaust of the 130 is something not to be taken for granted. I went several years without it...it was sorely missed. Maintenance is what it is. EV wins that all day long.

For the 130 (or any capable ICE vehicle), the driving experience is far more ethereal. It's hard (some would argue impossible) to describe in a thread reply. Furthermore, when it comes to taking the vehicle out of the developed cities/towns, the practicality just isn't there...yet. Also, EV's still have plenty of hurdles in the coming years/decade. While they will be the future to the extent we can support with raw materials, I do hope there's still some "soul" left in the auto industry when the proverbial dust settles...

Range is a real issue, and I owned my EV's at sea level in agreeable weather. Driving that Rivian at interstate speeds will be telling as well (as it was with my Teslas). Here in TX speed limits approach 80-85 mph. It's depressing to watch the range deplete at those speeds...which ironically are some of the most fun experiences in the EV's!

Ok, soap box over. Haha. Moral of my (barely tolerable) story: diversify the portfolio, just as you would with investing. Both have amazing attributes that make driving a pleasure. As for the future, we all have a front row seat. Who's bringing the popcorn?

CW

 

Our driveway has a 110 HSE X-dyn p400 Defender and 2 EV's. The wife's Taycan and a week old BMW i4 that we've already road-tripped 1200 miles. It replaced my son's Bronco after it got rear ended at a stop light and totalled. I've driven Tesla's & a Rivian.

You are spot on. Video-game fun. Fast as hell, loaded with tech, and perfect for Florida weather and flat terrain.

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AND our 3rd EV

 

Not that BEV's aren't quicker, but I think he's mistaken during the 130's acceleration test about the lag (8:40), that's Snow/Gravel mode adding to the delay, not the turbo.

 

i was wondering, it's been a long time since I drove a turbo (2015 Audi A5) and lag was real on that but I don't make a habit of stomping it in the defender but the one or two times I did it getting to highway speed fast there wasn't any lag.

 

He's already moving maybe 15 mph so the supercharger wouldn't kick in when he hits the gas. At 8100 ft, you're going to have an engine that has already lost about 25% of it's power. You hit the gas and... mush. The supercharger should help but only off the line, not from 15. The turbos should help but you're going to have to wait a few hundred rpm longer than sea-level for the turbos to kick in. It's literally the sweet spot of bad performance.

There's a whole other conversation about exactly when the supercharger hits/doesn't and how much altitude compensation LR programs into the supercharger and turbos. Either way, they can't completely negate that altitude. That 25% ICE loss is just too much to compensate for.

Not necessarily an unfair comparison with an EV but it's esoteric and use-case specific. At that altitude, an EV would have a major advantage in torque but, at that temperature, it would be at a disadvantage in range.

The ICE vehicle would struggle even more in warmer air (less dense) and the EV would lose its cold air disadvantage.

 

ahhh forgot about the elevation, i'm down near the coast of NC so haven't had to think about that in a few decades

 

I haven't noticed any significant lag at elevation (live at 5k and frequently drive up to 10k). It's the snow/gravel/grass mode which purposefully dampens throttle response. Power loss would be more significant for a naturally aspirated engine. I don't know how Land Rover manages target boost pressures, but it is theoretically possible to make the same power at altitude with modern ECU management strategies.