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One last pic from my buddy's trip. There are some videos too that he took but I'm not sure if the forum allows those to be posted. 1 mile away from the end of the trail, the jeep they were with drove through a mud bog and got stuck. My buddy hooked up and got stuck himself while losing his reverse gear. They hooked up both of the Defenders and managed to pull out both the Hummer and the Jeep from the mud bog.
Tillamook National Forest today: Ginsberg Point Trail. Which is through an area that has a lot of active logging there are alot of closed gates to test one’s navigational skills and clear cutting everywhere (typical Pac NW).
Had two areas we could not make it up - a few 35 degree uphills, a 40 degree downhill and lots of mud and slick surfaces. I couldn’t do it in mine with 33” KO2’s -- and my friend could not in his with 35” Mickey Thompsons. Few of the pics below are the hill we couldn’t make it up. Bummer. I am rarely defeated by terrain. Usually I’m stupid enough to punch my way through. Great fun though.
Tire pressures on my 20’s with KO2’s at 19-20 PSI, friends on 18’s with 35’s at 18.
Labrador day in lieu of Bloodhound day.
Last edited by nashvegas; Mar 1, 2025 at 10:13 PM.
Tillamook National Forest today: Ginsberg Point Trail. Which is through an area that has a lot of active logging there are alot of closed gates to test one’s navigational skills and clear cutting everywhere (typical Pac NW).
Had two areas we could not make it up - a few 35 degree uphills, a 40 degree downhill and lots of mud and slick surfaces. I couldn’t do it in mine with 33” KO2’s -- and my friend could not in his with 35” Mickey Thompsons. Few of the pics below are the hill we couldn’t make it up. Bummer. I am rarely defeated by terrain. Usually I’m stupid enough to punch my way through. Great fun though.
Tire pressures on my 20’s with KO2’s at 19-20 PSI, friends on 18’s with 35’s at 18.
Labrador day in lieu of Bloodhound day.
Do you think leaving it at the standard pressures would’ve improved traction? I know you get a larger contact patch on lower pressures, but the folks at the LR Experience Centers at the Biltmore in Asheville and at the factory in Solihull told me that they don’t recommend lowering the pressures unless you’re on 18” wheels. Just curious to what your thoughts are on that.
Do you think leaving it at the standard pressures would’ve improved traction? I know you get a larger contact patch on lower pressures, but the folks at the LR Experience Centers at the Biltmore in Asheville and at the factory in Solihull told me that they don’t recommend lowering the pressures unless you’re on 18” wheels. Just curious to what your thoughts are on that.
They say that as the factory tires have such weak sidewalls that airing down below 30psi on 20"/19" rims is fraught with peril.
Not much contact patch length gain till you get below 25psi really so the disadvantages far outweigh the benefits with the factory tires. Pinch flats aplenty.
With beefy E rated KO2s in 265/60 R20 that Nashvegas is running, you've got a tire you can air down plenty and get all the benefits and comfort that entails. Better with 18"s but not bad.
Running high psi's on the trail is just so uncomfortable. Less traction, less control. More vibrations and wear on suspension, more bouncing, more discomfort for driver. LR seem to inhabit a different planet to the rest of the off-roading world. Big rims, less sidewall, rubbish tires, have at it. Might be fine at the likes of Biltmore but in the real world it's a disastrous combo.
They say that as the factory tires have such weak sidewalls that airing down below 30psi on 20"/19" rims is fraught with peril.
Not much contact patch length gain till you get below 25psi really so the disadvantages far outweigh the benefits with the factory tires. Pinch flats aplenty.
With beefy E rated KO2s in 265/60 R20 that Nashvegas is running, you've got a tire you can air down plenty and get all the benefits and comfort that entails. Better with 18"s but not bad.
Running high psi's on the trail is just so uncomfortable. Less traction, less control. More vibrations and wear on suspension, more bouncing, more discomfort for driver. LR seem to inhabit a different planet to the rest of the off-roading world. Big rims, less sidewall, rubbish tires, have at it. Might be fine at the likes of Biltmore but in the real world it's a disastrous combo.
I run the same size: LT265/60R20 Falken Wildpeak AT3Ws (also has the E load rating) and I've never felt I've had to air down. Granted, I haven't really done any rocky trails - mostly just dirt, mud, and gravel trails and have never had a problem on OEM-recommended pressures.
I run the same size: LT265/60R20 Falken Wildpeak AT3Ws (also has the E load rating) and I've never felt I've had to air down. Granted, I haven't really done any rocky trails - mostly just dirt, mud, and gravel trails and have never had a problem on OEM-recommended pressures.
Fair enough. We all have differing use profiles I guess. If it works well for you, who am I to disagree?
At highway pressures the whole car feels like it wants to rattle itself apart, myself included on corrugations. Not a pleasant experience.
Much harder to hold a line when there's slippery rocks and roots you need to navigate. Much greater risk of a puncture as the tire cant fold around pointy things. I'm a terrible driver so I'll take all the help I can get. A nice long contact patch of rubber is just so much better in every respect.
