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#31
I can swear Ive seen videos of the Defender doing donuts in the snow, mud, and sand so there HAS to be a way to disable traction control.
Not sure if thats the yard stick to judge off road capabilities.
Also if you have the off road packs the diffs lock and unlock automatically and the whole system is pretty advanced, I cant see the Def coming behind those vehicles.
Most reviews Ive seen the Defenders advanced off road systems make obstacles much easier than other vehicles.
I think it was just a bad article.
Not sure if thats the yard stick to judge off road capabilities.
Also if you have the off road packs the diffs lock and unlock automatically and the whole system is pretty advanced, I cant see the Def coming behind those vehicles.
Most reviews Ive seen the Defenders advanced off road systems make obstacles much easier than other vehicles.
I think it was just a bad article.
#32
Good points, I agree. But maybe we should clarify what we mean by "far from civilization" or "very remote" over landing. There's a difference between the middle of Africa and camping 20 miles from the nearest cell tower. I'm talking about the latter. Would you not take a LR 20 miles from the nearest cell tower?
For daily off-road travel, farm travel, mountain work access and comfortable highway travel the new Defender works for me.
As for the articles, I do not believe those who are driving the old technology know how to drive the new defender -- the skills and techniques are different because the technology approach is different.
Last edited by TrioLRowner; 04-01-2021 at 05:51 AM.
#33
I can swear Ive seen videos of the Defender doing donuts in the snow, mud, and sand so there HAS to be a way to disable traction control.
Not sure if thats the yard stick to judge off road capabilities.
Also if you have the off road packs the diffs lock and unlock automatically and the whole system is pretty advanced, I cant see the Def coming behind those vehicles.
Most reviews Ive seen the Defenders advanced off road systems make obstacles much easier than other vehicles.
I think it was just a bad article.
Not sure if thats the yard stick to judge off road capabilities.
Also if you have the off road packs the diffs lock and unlock automatically and the whole system is pretty advanced, I cant see the Def coming behind those vehicles.
Most reviews Ive seen the Defenders advanced off road systems make obstacles much easier than other vehicles.
I think it was just a bad article.
#34
The JK Wrangler (and probably JL as well) automatically disables all the traction controls in 4Lo, and you can do so manually in 4Hi easily. Hopefully, LR has made the Defender to have all sorts of electronic assistance, and to be able to turn them all off if you know what you’re doing and why you want them off.
#35
Two thoughts -
* Article - MEH, that's why I don't read journalists. Even the best are biased. It's a subjective rating, not objective. But the poor print copy doesn't put them in the best light. I mean it was basically "wah, we couldn't figure out how to use it so it loses." - NOT that they are wrong. It's overly complicated with way too many options and takes a little while to learn. It's NOT intuitive. And MAYBE that's its great strength to the enthusiast, but also its great negative to Joe Average The Ragman Consumer. And yeah, it's not as "cushy" as your stereotypical LR, again, perhaps that's a good thing, but some will see it as a negative.
* DSC - Considering we can program how the steering feels or how responsive the throttle is, I'd be SHOCKED if we can't shut it off manually and/or that it doesn't go off manually in certain modes. But I'll have to play with that some (next time she lets me drive it lol).
* Article - MEH, that's why I don't read journalists. Even the best are biased. It's a subjective rating, not objective. But the poor print copy doesn't put them in the best light. I mean it was basically "wah, we couldn't figure out how to use it so it loses." - NOT that they are wrong. It's overly complicated with way too many options and takes a little while to learn. It's NOT intuitive. And MAYBE that's its great strength to the enthusiast, but also its great negative to Joe Average The Ragman Consumer. And yeah, it's not as "cushy" as your stereotypical LR, again, perhaps that's a good thing, but some will see it as a negative.
* DSC - Considering we can program how the steering feels or how responsive the throttle is, I'd be SHOCKED if we can't shut it off manually and/or that it doesn't go off manually in certain modes. But I'll have to play with that some (next time she lets me drive it lol).
#36
In the prior gen Terrain Response 1, the decision to have DSC engaged or not was the driver's, solely. Said another way, DSC was active always, unless the driver turned it off. One learned pretty quickly to turn it off in any situation where momentum conservation was a primary concern -- example, sand, mud ruts and deep snow.
Terrain Response 2 added the AUTO mode, which frees the computer to use its entire capability to read the terrain and respond accordingly -- much faster than a driver. In terrain which is crossing modes, mountain driving in the wet woods for instance, I have found the Auto mode does a better job than I can. The penalty for this is that DSC stays on in AUTO mode.
So, my practice now is to leave it in Auto mode at all times, except for when momentum is paramount -- deep snow, deep mud, sand -- and then switch to one of those modes and simultaneously turn off DSC -- if is expect to need low speed momentum.
The mode I have yet to figure out is comfort --- I don't know what that one does -- can notice no difference. And I still have not got round to using configurable terrain response -- that's still on the to do list.
Terrain Response 2 added the AUTO mode, which frees the computer to use its entire capability to read the terrain and respond accordingly -- much faster than a driver. In terrain which is crossing modes, mountain driving in the wet woods for instance, I have found the Auto mode does a better job than I can. The penalty for this is that DSC stays on in AUTO mode.
So, my practice now is to leave it in Auto mode at all times, except for when momentum is paramount -- deep snow, deep mud, sand -- and then switch to one of those modes and simultaneously turn off DSC -- if is expect to need low speed momentum.
The mode I have yet to figure out is comfort --- I don't know what that one does -- can notice no difference. And I still have not got round to using configurable terrain response -- that's still on the to do list.
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Kev M (04-01-2021)
#37
Anyway, on the interstate I put her Benz in Comfort (that's the default) because that's the "sharpest" setting that still allows all 9 gears. In Sport (which I prefer and use on surface streets), and Sport+ you are locked out of 9th gear.
If you are driving at a steady but low speed in Comfort and push the Sport button the car accelerates immediately, based on the new "reading" of the throttle position.
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#39
Sport mode is designed to make it feel and act faster. Steering is more responsive, shift points are higher, throttle response is increased, it's possible ignition timing is advanced as well etc. I guess is that top gear/overdrive is shut out either to keep it responsive (keep the revs up) in higher gears and/or as part of a nanny/limiter - if the ignition timing is advanced as well it would potentially result in an even higher top speed if it was allowed to reach top gear.
At least that's my guess.
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