First, there is not enough crude oil in the world to maintain status quo in perpetuity either. Yes, resources are finite, but even you acknowledge batteries can be recycled, right? It may be expensive now, but I bet rubber was expensive too when Firestone (or whoever) destroyed the wooden wheel industry.

I drove our I Pace on a 350 mile vacation. Our first stop for charging was at a Sheetz station where I plugged-in to the DC fast charger and went from ~25% charge to ~75% in the time it took us to order and eat lunch, ~20 minutes. That was enough to get us to our destination where I could use my Level 2 charger at our rental house.

Imagine what it will be like in a few years time, which brings me to my other point; you talk like the state of electric vehicles is static. There is research underway right now for pulse charging, which has the potential to fully charge batteries in less time than it takes to fill-up a 26 gallon tank in an ICE Bugatti.

I also understand that based on your handle you fear an entire workforce of mechanics are going to be out of luck, but even there, look how much a mechanics job has changed in the past 20 years with all the electronics and computers in cars nowadays. There will always be a place for car mechanics, we just might start calling them technicians.

It seems like EVs have become political for you. I am not on the “greenie” side but rather the side of those who see the problem with greenhouse gas emissions and want to help move towards more renewable energy sources. After having spent a lot of time in National Parks this summer, I’d really hate to see the Alaska wilderness become vast oil fields.

Lastly, I really encourage you to drive an electric car. Even the Chevy Bolt my son drives is a blast.

 

Well, you presume a lot, but that is ok. You must be young ( see, I presume too ).
No, I am not a mechanic. I am in fact an electrical engineer (EEE) - imagine that !
However, I am going to end here discussion here.
I do not intend the convince you, nor will you convince me.
This is a forum for Land Rover Defenders - and let's keep it at that. Combustion engines.
And I did drove a car exactly like yours, it was a loaner from the dealership. Impressive. Really was.
Still, I would never buy one.

 

As I typed that sentence I had the word ‘perhaps’ in my head but never made it to my fingers (e.g. perhaps you are a mechanic…)! But I’m not trying to convince you of anything, especially since most major manufacturers have already been convinced EVs are at least part of the future.

But I think we all can agree that there aren’t many Defender owners one could call a “greenie”!

 

:roflmao:

 

Spot on!

 

At the rate we are plunging off this cliff it won't take twenty years. Look at how far we have fallen in just ten and think 10-15 more from now. I'm taking my son to a car dealership this weekend to get a photo of him in front of ICE vehicles so he can look back one day and say, "wow daddy, were those really fueled with gasoline?"

 

What cliff are we plunging off of?

Humans need to do far more than transition to EVs.

I’d like to see changes in the airline industry.

Jets inject an incredible amount of carbon monoxide in our lower stratosphere. 100,000 flights per day.

Do you think maybe that’s a bigger contributor to environmental pollution than automobiles?

Why hasn’t anyone brought this up? As part of the narrative so many group thinkers grapple onto?

I can think of some reasons. Can others?

In a nutshell this comes down to us and much broader and more extreme changes are required. EVs is not the solution. It might be a small part of the solution but it stops there unfortunately. And yes, it’s politics and power corporations steering the narrative.

The UK government put together an analysis in regard to meeting caps by 2030. It requires every airport in the UK to be permanently closed while only keeping open Heathrow. Are you willing to completely stop traveling for business and precious family vacations that can be done over the wire or locally within your own state?

Our problems are unfortunately unachievable unless there are incredible shifts in everything we do! And until we see Blade Runner level technology and infrastructure, mostly everything we dream about is a pipe dream.

 

"Why hasn’t anyone brought this up? As part of the narrative so many group thinkers grapple onto?"

It's been common knowledge for decades and part of the discussion on climate change amongst all serious people for most of that time. Where are you getting your info?

 

Well this thread really went off the f***ing rails.

 

It’s not an argument. We may know and understand but does your average consumerist know? I can tell you first hand I could easily ask 10 co-workers about their thoughts on airline pollution and they’d have absolutely no understanding or comments to share. The narrative is lowest common denominator and airline pollution is surely not included. Whatever emotions exist around all of these subjects are exactly that. Emotions.