Here is a new marketing piece called the pocket guide. It walks through the numbers and important product points.

 

WTH happened the snorkel? They've gone to a dumb RAI like the Defender.

Very disappointing to see this. Only 800mm wading and no snorkel. That's going to be a big problem in the Australian market.

I guess the Kalihari and Simpson desert commuters will be delighted. No pleasing everyone I suppose. I just don't get the appeal of a RAI. Useless for me.

 

Aftermarket will come up with a solution. It never had a snorkel, always RAI. Too much liability, if the engine gets hydrolock. I'm going to get giant inflatable raft for wading over 800mm

 

Damn, I guess they know their customers are clueless when the show the schematics of bicycle gearing!

 

i say that is a great analogy since they sponsor a cycling team. It ties everything together.

 

Fun stuff !

This users guide provided by ADVAW8S is really helpful -- facts without market hype or obfuscation through fancy language. Page 12 on the drivetrain is very clear.


I found this, it looks helpful: https://ineosgrenadier.com/en/us/the...nd-development

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Bottom-line: It is a six-cylinder G wagon / LR4 / Discovery 4 equivalent from a drive-train and electronics point of view with electronic monitoring for ETC (electronic traction control -- how much wheel spin it allows when appropriate such as in low-speed sand and mud) and ESC (Electronic stability control -- capable of ensuring zero wheel spin in conditions such as in snow at highway speed). This means it has some degree of electronically controlled fast braking on each wheel.

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I REALLY LIKE THE FACT THAT IT IS PRE-WIRED, AND FULLY READY MECHANICALLY TO CUSTOMIZE THE VEHICLE. And yes, standing on the hood is absolutely a necessary capability.

Consciously old-school. Enjoy !!

 

The Grenadier looks great.

l had one on order since early 2022 but had to cancel it because as at November 2022 there was still no delivery date.
l needed it delivering by the end of March 2023 because that's when a govt tax incentive for buying a new commercial vehicle ends here in the U.K.

l also has a Defender Commercial on order from January 2022 and that arrived in November 2022 so l took it.

As at the end of January 2023 there's still no delivery date on the Grenadier, despite production "starting" at the end of 2022.

In reality l would have likely had the Grenadier over the Defender.

Both vehicles l ordered were around the same price.

 

What did you prefer/think you would prefer about the Grenadier?

 

l've come from a 2005 Defender and it worked really well for my business.
The interior was rugged and there was loads of space inside.
The new Defender is a lovely vehicle but the interior is in my opinion too "premium" for a commercial vehicle, l can see it looking tatty after a couple of years.
The Grenadier is like my old Defender with plastic finishes and rugged components that will take abuse, and still look good after 100,000 miles.

 

So they did retain the interior ergonomics of the previous Defender? Not sure that is a plus for anyone over 5' 10"

I wonder if they also kept the hideously uncomfortable rear seats just to remain true to the old-timers.