Ice cold. Ineos takes the first LR ever and does this with it.
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If any other person on the planet bought it and did this, sure.
When Jim Ratcliffe does it after copying the the Defender design, beating Land Rover's trademark infringement suit, and then laughs about using it to promote his Grenadier "support vehicles" then goes on to say Ineos is the true descendant of this original Landy...
This was deliberate and he's laughing his *** off about it. Rightfully so.
When Jim Ratcliffe does it after copying the the Defender design, beating Land Rover's trademark infringement suit, and then laughs about using it to promote his Grenadier "support vehicles" then goes on to say Ineos is the true descendant of this original Landy...
This was deliberate and he's laughing his *** off about it. Rightfully so.
I think it's bloody brilliant.
LR marketing folks have really had their asses handed to them here. I wonder how much Radcliffe/Ineos bid for this
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I agree, both can coexist. LR is a different company these days (they have to be as the marketplace is very different) yet they build terrific vehicles and our modern Defender is an incredible vehicle. I'm excited about the Ineos and hope that they succeed.
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My problem with INEOS is less the Ford vs Chevy thing than the chairman Jim "the Rat" Ratcliffe. I am utterly sick and tired of boundless egotists. Anyone who makes a fortune in a western county does so because of the infrastructure. Which we all need to pay for, inequalities and inefficiencies notwithstanding. Jim made his fortune in the EU, lobbied pro Brexit because he felt the EUs regulations were stifling, moved Grenadier production from the UK to France anyway, and to top it all off moved INEOS from the UK to Switzerland and his personal assets from the UK to Monaco for tax reasons. A$$hoe. Fuhk this "Sir Jim" BS.
As for which is better, the Grenadier or the Defender: the jury is still out on that one.
- The Defender is a much more pleasant drive on-road and both are similarly capable off-road. +1 for the Defender.
- Looks-wise, Defender hands down (the Grenadier looks more like a Russian UAZ than the old Defender IMO - see below). +2 for the Defender.
- Up-to-date tech. +3 for the Defender.
So it will come down to reliability and service, neither of which are pillars in LR's stellar reputation. We'll see - it's going to take several years before the jury can reconvene. It might well never be possible to say one is "better" than the other so it will remain a Ford vs Chevy thing.
IMO the Defender looks a LOT better, though.
As for which is better, the Grenadier or the Defender: the jury is still out on that one.
- The Defender is a much more pleasant drive on-road and both are similarly capable off-road. +1 for the Defender.
- Looks-wise, Defender hands down (the Grenadier looks more like a Russian UAZ than the old Defender IMO - see below). +2 for the Defender.
- Up-to-date tech. +3 for the Defender.
So it will come down to reliability and service, neither of which are pillars in LR's stellar reputation. We'll see - it's going to take several years before the jury can reconvene. It might well never be possible to say one is "better" than the other so it will remain a Ford vs Chevy thing.
IMO the Defender looks a LOT better, though.
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My problem with INEOS is less the Ford vs Chevy thing than the chairman Jim "the Rat" Ratcliffe. I am utterly sick and tired of boundless egotists. Anyone who makes a fortune in a western county does so because of the infrastructure. Which we all need to pay for, inequalities and inefficiencies notwithstanding. Jim made his fortune in the EU, lobbied pro Brexit because he felt the EUs regulations were stifling, moved Grenadier production from the UK to France anyway, and to top it all off moved INEOS from the UK to Switzerland and his personal assets from the UK to Monaco for tax reasons. A$$hoe. Fuhk this "Sir Jim" BS.
As for which is better, the Grenadier or the Defender: the jury is still out on that one.
- The Defender is a much more pleasant drive on-road and both are similarly capable off-road. +1 for the Defender.
- Looks-wise, Defender hands down (the Grenadier looks more like a Russian UAZ than the old Defender IMO - see below). +2 for the Defender.
- Up-to-date tech. +3 for the Defender.
So it will come down to reliability and service, neither of which are pillars in LR's stellar reputation. We'll see - it's going to take several years before the jury can reconvene. It might well never be possible to say one is "better" than the other so it will remain a Ford vs Chevy thing.
IMO the Defender looks a LOT better, though.
As for which is better, the Grenadier or the Defender: the jury is still out on that one.
- The Defender is a much more pleasant drive on-road and both are similarly capable off-road. +1 for the Defender.
- Looks-wise, Defender hands down (the Grenadier looks more like a Russian UAZ than the old Defender IMO - see below). +2 for the Defender.
- Up-to-date tech. +3 for the Defender.
So it will come down to reliability and service, neither of which are pillars in LR's stellar reputation. We'll see - it's going to take several years before the jury can reconvene. It might well never be possible to say one is "better" than the other so it will remain a Ford vs Chevy thing.
IMO the Defender looks a LOT better, though.
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