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Looks great! I had a Max3 winch plate on my 2014 ****** — it was a great option if you wanted to keep your OEM bumper. Yours, of course is for the OEM steel Rubicon bumper and mounts inside. Mine had the standard plastic/steel bumper and sat on top.
But ultimately I swapped bumpers and moved the Zeon 10k inside:
Now, the Zeon 12 is all but completely hidden. God forbid I have to work on it in the field for some reason.
Wow NoGaBiker ! The Warn on the Defender looks awesome! Did you install it yourself? How was it?
I was playing with the online build configuration and adding the winch seemed like a several thousand dollar proposition! Not even counting labor.
I installed the winch on the Jeep myself, not difficult, just a lot of steps,
No way in hell! Pulling winches on and off of Jeeps is trivial — I think the last one I did took 2 hours. I read the 30-page guide to installing it in the LR and said, “whatever they charge, it’s worth it.” But some on here have indeed installed it themselves; TrioLRowner did so, I believe, along with a few others. Search for threads. Seems to be a multi-day affair. I think it took my indy LR specialist the better part of two days (it was their first one).
I like the finished product of the Lucky8 winch plate better than the LandRover OEM option so that’s what I went with. Paid roughly a grand for the install, plus plate plus winch. LOL, my first winch 8 years ago was a $450 smittybilt 10k on a $300 Max3 plate, installed myself. Now I think I have about $3400 in the Defender setup, and that’s getting the 12k Zeon for $1400 from a friend who bought it for his F150 and it wouldn’t fit so he cut me a deal.
No way in hell! Pulling winches on and off of Jeeps is trivial — I think the last one I did took 2 hours. I read the 30-page guide to installing it in the LR and said, “whatever they charge, it’s worth it.” But some on here have indeed installed it themselves; TrioLRowner did so, I believe, along with a few others. Search for threads. Seems to be a multi-day affair. I think it took my indy LR specialist the better part of two days (it was their first one).
I like the finished product of the Lucky8 winch plate better than the LandRover OEM option so that’s what I went with. Paid roughly a grand for the install, plus plate plus winch. LOL, my first winch 8 years ago was a $450 smittybilt 10k on a $300 Max3 plate, installed myself. Now I think I have about $3400 in the Defender setup, and that’s getting the 12k Zeon for $1400 from a friend who bought it for his F150 and it wouldn’t fit so he cut me a deal.
Wow, actually a grand for the install is not bad! Certainly you got top of the line with the Zeon 12s, I couldn't justify that much so went with the VR EVO, which I have heard good reviews as of lately...
It was a multi day event for sure but now that I have completed one could probably knock it out in a day. Biggest pain was running the wiring and moving the control box, took some finesse.
Here is my install with a red winch and air spool so I do not need direct access. I do agree if you need to do field work it will be tough
Threw in a bonus pic with the 275/7518s MTs which took a grinder on the rear calipers
The INEOS is cool and everything, but not touching that first year model, of a new company, with limited non-existent dealer support...
Certainly not a bad rule to live by but I'm not sure it applies here. The EU, UK, Australia, and parts of Africa get it this year in August. That's why the configurator just opened. It won't be available in the US until at least the next model year in August '23 if things go right.
I'm not sure how hesitant I'd even be if I could get the first one off the line.
They've shunned all the complex systems that seem to be problematic in favor of reliable parts mostly provided by 3rd party vendors. That BMW engine is superb (just don't say that in a Toyota Supra forum).
heavy-duty beam axles developed with Carraro
full box-sectioned ladder-frame chassis with a steel section up to 3.5mm, plus full E-coat treatment, cavity wax inside and powder coat outside (anyone who ever restored a Series is dead reading this)
CV joints and prop shafts from Dana
transfer case from Tremac
locking diff set up by Eaton
coil springs by Eibach
infotainment by BMW with Ineos graphics
manual seats (as in no motors) by Recaro
They say they will expedite parts (and even techs) worldwide, provide workshop manuals, and basically do whatever it takes to buy a reputation for reliability. It's a key part of their branding.
People ask if they'll "make it". They aren't a household name but they already exist all over your house. They're the 2nd largest chemical company in the world with plenty of revenue and access to almost unlimited capital. https://www.ineos.com/about/
This, to me, is the phase where the company is so successful that it's a little boring. The CEO is getting older and a little nostalgic and it's time for taking on pet projects. They aren't going anywhere. Even if they do, I can still get service on a BMW engine and an Eaton diff.
Last edited by _Allegedly; 05-20-2022 at 08:48 AM.
^^ I agree with all the above (and I’ve been on the list for several months.) But if there’s a failure point to the new models it’s likely to be the electrical/software interfaces between them which, though not nearly as complex as JLR’s, still have to exist to get all the players talking nice to one another. BMWs break — a lot — and they’ve been using that equipment for a long time. My hope is that the lack of complexity, as you say, will minimize potential failure points enough that the damn things pretty much work correctly out of the box.
Well, its engineered by Magna, which builds the Gwagen, so there is that, but BMW electrics with French build quality? Hmmm. We'll see. I do like the concept and wish that LR simplified the Defender just a bit like Ineos is doing.
I'm just glad Jim Ratcliffe is spending his billions developing what appears to be a reboot of a classic off-road vehicle, rahter than developing spaceships that I'll likely not ride in.
05-20-2022, 06:58 AM
Pulling winches on and off of Jeeps is trivial — I think the last one I did took 2 hours. I read the 30-page guide to installing it in the LR and said, “whatever they charge, it’s worth it.” But some on here have indeed installed it themselves; TrioLRowner did so, I believe, along with a few others. Search for threads. Seems to be a multi-day affair. I think it took my indy LR specialist the better part of two days (it was their first one).
